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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic",sans-serif">Dear Qi Chao,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic",sans-serif">Thank you for your email.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span dir="LTR"></span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic",sans-serif">I’m hoping it will be refining, rather than redefining, the definition of “variant”.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span dir="LTR"></span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic",sans-serif">Accepting the concept of universal variant (e.g. TC and SC) and lexical variant (e.g.
</span><span lang="ZH-CN" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:SimSun">紀伊國屋</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic",sans-serif">/</span><span lang="ZH-CN" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:SimSun">紀伊国屋</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic",sans-serif">)
may be easier than having to add the new type/status of Independent.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span dir="LTR"></span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic",sans-serif">Whatever we do, it must not be possible for different applicants to apply for</span><span lang="ZH-CN" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:SimSun">紀伊國屋</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic",sans-serif">
and </span><span lang="ZH-CN" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:SimSun">紀伊国屋</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic",sans-serif">.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic",sans-serif">I think it’s possible for a panel not to define variants in its table, to accept that variant mappings for each character are the same as other languages/panels and
for variants to be decided at the LGR level. Cases like the </span><span lang="ZH-CN" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:SimSun">紀伊國屋</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic",sans-serif">/</span><span lang="ZH-CN" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:SimSun">紀伊国屋</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic",sans-serif">case
would thus be solved (recognized as variants of the same lable) at the LGR level , even though
</span><span lang="ZH-CN" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:SimSun">國</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic",sans-serif"> and
</span><span lang="ZH-CN" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:SimSun">国</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic",sans-serif"> are not defined as variants in the Japanese table.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic",sans-serif">Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic",sans-serif">Chris.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" align="left" style="text-align:left"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic",sans-serif">Research Associate in Linguistic Computing, Centre for Digital Humanities, UCL, Gower St, London WC1E 6BT Tel +44 20 7679 1599 (int
31599) <a href="http://www.ucl.ac.uk/dis/people/chrisdillon"><span style="color:#0563C1">www.ucl.ac.uk/dis/people/chrisdillon</span></a>
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<p class="MsoNormal" align="left" style="text-align:left"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt">
</span><span lang="ZH-CN" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:SimSun">齐超</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> [mailto:qichao@cnnic.cn]
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<b>Sent:</b> 24 October 2014 04:07<br>
<b>To:</b> Dillon, Chris; ChineseGP@icann.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> </span><span lang="ZH-CN" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:SimSun">回复</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt">: [ChineseGP] FW: fortnightly meeting on 23rd Oct, Thursday<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" align="left" style="text-align:left"><span style="font-family:"Courier New";color:navy">Dear Chris,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" align="left" style="text-align:left"><span style="font-family:"Courier New";color:navy"> Thank you for your comments. I give some technical comments below:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" align="left" style="text-align:left"><span style="font-family:"Courier New";color:navy">1. As you and Prof.Zhang have suggested, it might be time to redefine 'variant' for CGP/JGP in order to make a comprehensive rule for 'variant mapping' .<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" align="left" style="text-align:left"><span style="font-family:"Courier New";color:navy">2. P2.2 is designed for code points, not for labels with mixed code points , and only two types - 'allocatable'/'blocked' - are defined for variant
code points now. So 'Independent' , as a new type, need to be accepted by LGR ?(to be confirmed)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" align="left" style="text-align:left"><span style="font-family:"Courier New";color:navy">3. From the example of
</span><span lang="JA" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"MS Mincho";color:navy;mso-fareast-language:JA">紀伊國屋</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic",sans-serif;color:navy">/</span><span lang="JA" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"MS Mincho";color:navy;mso-fareast-language:JA">紀伊国屋</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:navy;mso-fareast-language:JA">,
</span><span style="font-family:"Courier New";color:navy;mso-fareast-language:JA">there supposed to be also some relationship like 'variant' in new form and old form(</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic",sans-serif;color:navy;mso-fareast-language:JA">
</span><span lang="JA" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"MS Mincho";color:navy;mso-fareast-language:JA">国</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic",sans-serif;color:navy;mso-fareast-language:JA"> /
</span><span lang="JA" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"MS Mincho";color:navy;mso-fareast-language:JA">國</span><span style="font-family:"Courier New";color:navy;mso-fareast-language:JA">) , which may not be recognized by JGP. I wonder how to handle the
conflict if </span><span lang="JA" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"MS Mincho";color:navy;mso-fareast-language:JA">紀伊國屋</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic",sans-serif;color:navy;mso-fareast-language:JA">/</span><span lang="JA" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"MS Mincho";color:navy;mso-fareast-language:JA">紀伊国屋</span><span style="font-family:"Courier New";color:navy;mso-fareast-language:JA"> </span><span style="font-family:"Courier New";color:navy">are
applied as tld by different applicants, and the problem is better handled by LGR, not by manual recognition.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Courier New";color:navy">Regards,</span><span style="color:navy"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Courier New";color:navy"> Qi Chao<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span lang="ZH-CN">齐超</span></span><i><span style="font-family:"Microsoft Sans Serif",sans-serif;color:#969696"> via foxmail</span></i><span style="font-family:SimSun;color:navy"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" align="left" style="text-align:left;background:#EFEFEF"><b><span lang="ZH-CN" style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:SimSun;color:black">发件人：</span></b><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:SimSun;color:black"> <a href="mailto:c.dillon@ucl.ac.uk">Dillon,
Chris</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" align="left" style="text-align:left;background:#EFEFEF"><b><span lang="ZH-CN" style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:SimSun;color:black">发送时间：</span></b><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:SimSun;color:black"> 2014<span lang="ZH-CN">年</span>10<span lang="ZH-CN">月</span>23<span lang="ZH-CN">日</span>(<span lang="ZH-CN">星期四</span>) <span lang="ZH-CN">下午</span>8:24<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" align="left" style="text-align:left;background:#EFEFEF"><b><span lang="ZH-CN" style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:SimSun;color:black">收件人：</span></b><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:SimSun;color:black"> <a href="mailto:ChineseGP@icann.org">ChineseGP@icann.org</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" align="left" style="text-align:left;background:#EFEFEF"><b><span lang="ZH-CN" style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:SimSun;color:black">主题：</span></b><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:SimSun;color:black"> [ChineseGP] FW: fortnightly
meeting on 23rd Oct, Thursday<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic",sans-serif;color:black">Dear colleagues,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic",sans-serif;color:black">I have some comments about the
<i>questions about variant mappings</i> document. I’m sorry if some of them were addressed during the meeting.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2"><![if !supportLists]><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic",sans-serif;color:black"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">1.<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span><![endif]><span dir="LTR"></span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic",sans-serif;color:black">I’m guessing we may need a new definition of variant, as</span><span lang="ZH-CN" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:SimSun;color:black">發</span><span lang="ZH-CN" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic",sans-serif;color:black">
</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic",sans-serif;color:black;background:white">fā</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic",sans-serif;color:black"> “send” and</span><span lang="ZH-CN" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:SimSun;color:black">髮</span><span lang="ZH-CN" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic",sans-serif;color:black;mso-fareast-language:JA">
</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic",sans-serif;color:black;background:white">fà<span class="apple-converted-space"> (</span><span class="footnote">Taiwanese Mandarin pronunciation</span><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="phonetic">f</span></span><span class="phonetic"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black;background:white">ǎ</span></span><span class="phonetic"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic",sans-serif;color:black;background:white">
“hair”) both TC variants of SC </span></span><span class="phonetic"><span lang="ZH-CN" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:SimSun;color:black;background:white">发</span></span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic",sans-serif;color:black">,
for example, do not have “the same pronunciations and the same meanings” in all of the languages.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2"><![if !supportLists]><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic",sans-serif;color:black"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">2.<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span><![endif]><span dir="LTR"></span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic",sans-serif;color:black">I reckon that code points only have “independent” status/type in the Japanese table, but that labels should be generated
using the merged LGR rules, not local table rules.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2"><![if !supportLists]><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic",sans-serif;color:black;mso-fareast-language:JA"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">3.<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span><![endif]><span dir="LTR"></span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic",sans-serif;color:black">In Japanese,
</span><span lang="JA" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"MS Mincho";color:black;mso-fareast-language:JA">国</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic",sans-serif;color:black"> and
</span><span lang="JA" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"MS Mincho";color:black;mso-fareast-language:JA">國</span><span lang="JA" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic",sans-serif;color:black;mso-fareast-language:JA">
</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic",sans-serif;color:black">cannot be exchanged in most cases. However, there may be certain names e.g.
</span><span lang="JA" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"MS Mincho";color:black;mso-fareast-language:JA">紀伊國屋</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic",sans-serif;color:black">/</span><span lang="JA" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"MS Mincho";color:black;mso-fareast-language:JA">紀伊国屋</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic",sans-serif;color:black">
where either form is common. The company seems to prefer the former; people write the latter. I would be interested to know what people do when word-processing. My software</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic",sans-serif;color:black;mso-fareast-language:JA">
suggests the new form first, but then the old form. I wonder what percentage of people type which form. Personally, I would always type the form the company or person concerned preferred, if possible. There is a lot in a name.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic",sans-serif;color:black">Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic",sans-serif;color:black">Chris.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" align="left" style="text-align:left"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic",sans-serif;color:black">Research Associate in Linguistic Computing, Centre for Digital Humanities, UCL, Gower St, London WC1E 6BT Tel +44 20
7679 1599 (int 31599) <a href="http://www.ucl.ac.uk/dis/people/chrisdillon">www.ucl.ac.uk/dis/people/chrisdillon</a>
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<p class="MsoNormal" align="left" style="text-align:left"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black">
<a href="mailto:chinesegp-bounces@icann.org">chinesegp-bounces@icann.org</a> [<a href="mailto:chinesegp-bounces@icann.org">mailto:chinesegp-bounces@icann.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Wang Wei<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 22 October 2014 03:19<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:ChineseGP@icann.org">ChineseGP@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [ChineseGP] fortnightly meeting on 23rd Oct, Thursday<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" align="left" style="text-align:left"><span style="color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Dear all<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"> It’s been couple of weeks since the last fortnightly meeting.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"> Tomorrow, I’d like to share my slides for CDN variant workshop in ICANN 51<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"> And also, I drafted a document to illustrate C, J and K’s understanding about the coordination principles. It seems there are still different views between us and some IP members.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"> I will send the document to IP for their formal feedback after we discuss and reach a consensus.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> Meeting time: 3PM (Beijing time, UTC+8)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Regards<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Wang Wei<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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