[council] Notes from today's GNSO Council call
Avri Doria
avri at acm.org
Thu Feb 27 18:25:35 UTC 2014
i agree. thanks.
avri
On 27-Feb-14 18:38, James M. Bladel wrote:
> As someone who missed the call – THANK YOU!
>
> J.
>
>
> From: Mike O'Connor <mike at haven2.com <mailto:mike at haven2.com>>
> Date: Thursday, February 27, 2014 at 10:33
> To: GNSO Council List <council at gnso.icann.org
> <mailto:council at gnso.icann.org>>
> Subject: [council] Notes from today's GNSO Council call
>
> hi all,
>
> as many of you know, i’m an obsessive note-taker in meetings. i thought
> i would share my notes from the call this morning with this list and ask
> you to let me know if you would like me to continue sending them to this
> list as well. these are mostly for me, and my ISPCP colleagues (so pay
> no attention to the action-items, those are mostly for me). feel free
> to sing out if you find these annoying or unhelpful. these are NOT
> official minutes, just personal notes of one member.
>
> disclaimer — these are my notes and may contain errors of fact or
> understanding. if something in here makes you unhappy, check with me or
> the person before taking extreme action. :-)
>
> also note that item 6 and item 4 were reversed on the agenda, which is
> why these notes are not in strictest numeric sequence.
>
> mikey
>
>
> Council call - 27-Feb 2014
>
> *
>
> + - Item 1: Administrative matters (10 mins)
>
> o 1.1 Roll Call
> o + - 1.2 Statement of interest updates
> + Maria Farrell
> + ~ https://community.icann.org/display/gnsosoi/Maria+Farrell+SOI
> <https://community.icann.org/display/gnsosoi/Maria+Farrell+SOI>
> o 1.3 Review/amend agenda
> o + - 1.4. Note the status of minutes for the previous Council
> meeting per the GNSO Operating Procedures:
> + Minutes of the GNSO Council meetings 23 January 2014 were
> posted as approved on 17 February 2014.
>
> + - Item 2: Opening Remarks / Review of Projects & Action List (10
> mins)
>
> o Review focus areas and provide updates on specific key themes /
> topics
> o Include review of Projects List and Action List.
> o + - Comments or questions arising.
> + Action: note a diary entry to review the list prior to each
> meeting - and forward to the ISPCP list
>
> Item 3: Consent agenda (0 mins)
>
> + - Item 4: UPDATE & DISCUSSION – GNSO Engagement with the work of
> the ICANN Strategy Panels (15 mins)
>
> o
>
> + - Here the Council will receive an update on any relevant
> interaction with and output from the strategy panels and discuss
> any appropriate action going forward.
>
> + +- Update:
> #
>
> +- Strat Panels are out for comment
>
> * ~ icann.org > En > News > Public-comment >
> Strategy-panels-25feb14-en
> <http://www.icann.org/en/news/public-comment/strategy-panels-25feb14-en.htm>
> * ~ icann.org > En > News > Announcements >
> Announcement-2-25feb14-en
> <http://www.icann.org/en/news/announcements/announcement-2-25feb14-en.htm>
>
> Fadi's recent update to AC/SO chairs -- on role panels
> and their role in the strategy process -- concern about
> top-down was discussed
>
> +- MSI panel --
>
> *
>
> +- 16 proposals (here's a link to my little matrix
> of the proposals -- arrayed by Goal <--> Tool and
> Participation <--> Policy)
>
> o ~ haven2.com > Wp-content > Uploads > 2007 > 07
> > PDP-Overview-GAC-GNSO-v5
> <http://www.haven2.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/07/PDP-Overview-GAC-GNSO-v5.jpg>
>
> +- Jonathan has reached out -- got off to a bit of a
> slow start -- but meetings 2 weeks ago and yesterday
>
> o
>
> +- flag waving - we're the Council and the GNSO
> - your work feels as though it overlaps our
> remit - so we are very tuned to you work
>
> + Novak offered to do some kind of interview
> -- Jonathan was uncomfortable
>
> +- Yesterday's meeting
>
> +
>
> working toward a meeting with 1/2 members of
> the staff (govLab) people in singapore
>
> opportunity to home in on a subset of the
> recommendations that are more closely
> related to the policy work of the GNSO
>
> +- 2 issues
>
> o +- "top down" concern
> + Jonathan: best aimed at Fadi not the MSI panel
> + +- Discussion
> # +- Berard
> *
>
> +- "this is something we need to talk about"
> reenforces the "executivification" of ICANN -- it's
> really hard for a part time person to stay above the
> raging water -- the community is becoming more
> professional -- this is driving some of our
> community members mad -- the more we can do to
> foster discussion at the broadest level in the
> community, the better
>
> o Jonathan shares concern over the raging water
> o Jonathan emphasises distinction between MSI
> content and MSI chartering
> # +- Amr
> *
>
> +- commisioning is very top down -- there is a lot
> of work going on -- that's where the changes would
> have to be reviewed
>
> o
>
> doesn't feel quite as concerned as others are
>
> +- Jonathan - we have the opportunity to engage
> -- maybe a written response to the panel from
> the council
>
> + reaction to their work AND
> + work that the GNSO is doing
> # +- Stoll
> *
>
> +- we need to inform them to alert them to overlaps
> AND we need to inform administration of concerns
> directly
>
> o comments seem to go into a black hole
> o be careful in the engagement
> # +- Chiao
> *
>
> volunteers -- substantial proportion of cycles going
> to IG issue
>
> registries -- implementation requirements,
> additional load of IG work -- overloaded is not just
> limited to volunteers in non-contracted parties.
> Ry's and Rr's are struggling to keep up with
> implementation requirements in addition to
> policy-making and IG discussion. Very hard,
> especially for smaller registries.
>
> +- ICANN is now representing all of our voices --
> will people outside of ICANN have a chance to talk
> with the community directly? Is ICANN trying to
> represent us, rather than letting that conversation
> take place directly?
>
> o maybe it's time for constituencies to step out
> # +- Greimann
> *
>
> topics are very worthwhile -- also helpful to have
> an outside voice -- however i think this effort
> should have come in the ICANN way -- thus they have
> a bit of a birth defect because of the way they were
> launched -- we shouldn't be deferential, give
> advice, should be seen as comparable to the GAC
>
> # +- Greenberg
> *
>
> MSI - remember they were put in place to comment on
> the *whole* MS model, not just GNSO -- their remit
> is broader - they were asked to suggest changes -
> informed process -- they DID suggest changes and we
> need to embrace/refine their suggestions without
> appearing defensive
>
> + +- Followup
> # Jonathan will follow up with Theresa about how we can
> best interact with these panels
>
> + - Item 5: UPDATE – PDP Working Group on Translation &
> Transliteration of Contact Information (10 mins)
>
> o
>
> The GNSO Council recently initiated a Policy Development Process
> (PDP) on the Translation and Transliteration of Contact
> Information. As part of its efforts to obtain broad input from
> the ICANN Community at an early stage of its deliberations, the
> Working Group has requested input from the Supporting
> Organizations (including the GNSO) and Advisory Committees on
> several questions relating to the issues identified in the PDP
> Final Issue Report.
>
> + - 5.1 – Update (Ching Chiao)
>
> + presented by Chris Dillon - cochair
> + +- request for input - deadline is tomorrow
> # https://community.icann.org/x/FTR-Ag
>
> + - 5.2 – Discussion
>
> + +- Chiao - thanks Chris, encourages comments from
> constituencies
> # Action: remind ISPCP of need for input
>
> 5.3 – Next steps
>
> + - Item 6: UPDATE & DISCUSSION – International Internet Governance
> Issues (20 mins)
>
> o
>
> Discussions and activity relating to international Internet
> Governance issues are attracting a great deal of attention in
> ICANN and related groups. This item is on the agenda to provide
> an opportunity for discussion within the Council about how this
> impacts the role and work of the Council and mindful of the
> scope and remit of the Council, what action the Council should
> or could be taking.
>
> + - 4.1 – Status update (Sally Costerton)
>
> + Jonathan: what should be focusing on at Council
> + +- Sally:
> # +- several streams around IG
> * +- Background
> o
>
> +- Buenos Aires - became clear that profile of
> IG was increasing - triggered by Snowden issue
>
> + the rest of the world had "woken up"
> + resurfaced WCIT issues
>
> very full IG calendar in 2014
>
> Fadi's view - sense that there is frustration
> over how hard IG issues are to resolve
>
> ITU - march toward their meeting late in the
> year -- debate around whether they're going to
> change their remit
>
> if we don't participate others will do it for us
>
> * +- 1Net
> o
>
> discussion forum where debate is taking place in
> great detail
>
> now has a steering committee
>
> +- web forum is up and running -- discussion is
> migrating that direction -- much easier to
> follow than the overwhelming traffic on the
> email list
>
> + ~ https://forum.1net.org/
> <https://forum.1net.org/>
> * +- CCWG
> o discuss and collect input
> o meeting weekly
> o goal: position by the end of March
> o +- email archive
> + http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/ccwg-internet-governance/
> o +- web page
> +
>
> https://community.icann.org/display/CPMMB/ICANN+Community+Preparation+for+the+Multistakeholder+Meeting+in+Brazil+Home
>
> * +- Hi Level Panel (5th panel)
> o +- 3 f2f meetings
> + December
> + now
> + May
> o there is to be a submission to the Brazil meeting
> * +- NetMundial
> o goal: HOW to decide, not decide
> o submissions of principle and framework
> o late April, just after Easter
> o hosted by Brazilian govt
> o 4 cochairs
> o Hi level committee -- just met this week --
> goal: good attention/attendance by governments
> o deadline for registration is tomorrow (28-Feb)
> o +- registration web page
> + ~ content.netmundial.br > Interests >
> Expression
> <http://content.netmundial.br/interests/expression>
> o +- overall web page
> + ~ netmundial.br <http://netmundial.br/>
> * +- Singapore
> o NCSG event -- starts at 10am, Friday before
> meeting, 10:00 - 18:00, followed by reception
> w/Fadi
> o Several events during the ICANN meetings
>
> + - 4.2 – Discussion
>
> + +- Berard;
> #
>
> +- ccNSO: categories of participation in NetMudial
> meetingdon't make room for ccTLD managers -- is this a
> metaphor for the way that IG discussions aren't leaving
> room for individual members of ICANN
>
> * +- tactical - ccNSO members?
> o open registration meeting - everybody is welcome
> - first come first served attendance
> o strongly encourage participation
>
> +- Snowden revelations provide excellent cover for
> political intent -- what is Fadi's public position on this?
>
> *
>
> Maria Farrell: John - the Montevideo statement sets
> out pretty clearly the concern re. pervasive
> monitoring and Internet stewardship. Fadi signed it
> for ICANN so I think it's fair to say he sees a
> link. Even if some use the Snowden revelations
> tactically, the fact remains that many have lost
> faith in the impartiality of the USG.
>
> +- Costerton: get asked questions about
> globalization of ICANN and Snowden - we don't have a
> particular view - realization within the US govt
> that structures may need to change
>
> o need to reenforce other voices at the table
>
> +- Richard Clark transcript -- the two issues are as far
> apart as one could find
>
> *
>
> ~ windowsitpro.com > Identity-management >
> Richard-clarke-rsa-conference-10-observations-us-intelligence-gathering
> <http://windowsitpro.com/identity-management/richard-clarke-rsa-conference-10-observations-us-intelligence-gathering>
>
> + +- Farrell
> #
>
> +- Board resolution on globalization - disquite on lack
> of consultation, yet more CEO appointed panels, a lot of
> CEO-led activity going on. concern about Council role
> in this ad hoc series of actions by administration
>
> *
>
> +- Board chair saw a lot of email on this -- perhaps
> the 1net list?
>
> o
>
> ~ Marika Konings: Please note that this is the
> email from Steve Crocker that Sally was
> referring to:
> http://1net-mail.1net.org/pipermail/discuss/2014-February/002194.html
> <http://1net-mail.1net.org/pipermail/discuss/2014-February/002194.html>
>
> Costerton; with her engagement hat on -- groups are
> to facilitate the discussion that you have described
> Maria -- they will be in Singapore and given a
> public block - Council needs to know that their role
> is to act as facilitator
>
> +- Avri would very much have liked to participate
> the process of setting this up - post is coming to
> the list
>
> o Action: watch for that post
> + +- Cake:
> # +- is there anything that the Council or SGs should do?
> * reach out to communities and encourage them to
> participate in Netmundial
> * +- take a look at the BCG report
> o ~ icann.org > En > News > Announcements >
> Announcement-24jan14-en
> <http://www.icann.org/en/news/announcements/announcement-24jan14-en.htm>
> + +- Chiao
> #
>
> congratulates Costerton on ASIAPAC engagement -- AsiaPAC
> members would like to be more engaged with the actual
> meetings, not just talking to people in the region,
> bring people to the meeting table and actually contribute
>
> 4.3 – Next steps
>
> + - Item 7: UPDATE & DISCUSSION – GAC Engagement – the work of the
> Joint GAC / GNSO Consultation Group (15 mins)
>
> o Here the Council will receive an update and discuss any action
> going forward.
> o + - 7.1 – Status update
> + +- Amr:
> # +- Reviewed charter --
> * http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gac-gnso-cg/attachments/20140212/c6e3f7b6/GAC-GNSO-final-0001.pdf
> # Two work streams - PDP early engagement and day to day
> interaction
> o + - 7.2 – Discussion
> + +- Mikey
> # Charter is done, proposals are in progress
> o 7.3 – Next steps
>
> + - Item 8: UPDATE & DISCUSSION – Forthcoming review of the GNSO (10
> mins)
>
> o
>
> As part of a periodic review process that is built into the
> ICANN model, ICANN board initiated reviews of the GNSO (and the
> GNSO Council and related functions) are expected. In order to
> be informed and effectively prepared for this work, we have
> begun to engage with the body that commissions such reviews (the
> structural improvements committee) through its chair, Ray Plazk.
>
> The Council will track the planning work of the SIC and, where
> appropriate; provide relevant input to the process. We will
> also prepare to undertake a form of self-review in a similar
> format to that which we expect to arise out of the work of the
> SIC. A self-review will ensure that we are not only prepared
> for the board initiated work but also able to flag areas for
> potential improvement in as timely as possible a manner.
>
> + - 8.1 – Update (Jennifer Wolfe)
>
> +
>
> there is no update since the last meeting -- still waiting
> for an update from Ray
>
> Jonathan: will there be a document prior to Singapore?
> Marika: nothing expected to be published before Singapore
>
> 8.2 – Discussion
>
> 8.3 – Next steps
>
> + - Item 9: UPDATE & DISCUSSION – Planning for Singapore (15 mins)
>
> o
>
> Making the most out of the face-to-face meeting time available
> at the ICANN Meeting in Buenos Aires will take planning. GNSO
> Council Vice Chair, David Cake will lead this and will be
> working with the Council and staff on this effort.
>
> Here the Council has the opportunity to feed into plans and
> provide input based on past experience. Included in this item
> will be the opportunity to shape the approach to and substance
> of the Council’s proposed meetings with other groups in such as
> the CCNSO, the GAC and the ICANN board.
>
> + - 9.1 – Update (David Cake & Jonathan Robinson)
>
> + Cake: very much Draft,
>
> 9.2 – Discussion
>
> + - 9.3 – Next steps
>
> + Action: forward the draft schedule to the ISPCP list if it
> hasn't been already -- DONE
>
> + - Item 10: Any Other Business (10 mins)
>
> o + - Community budget requests
> + +- requests from the Council:
> # Council development session,
> # face-to-face PDP meetings (potential for facilitation),
> # GAC GNSO reverse liaison (placeholder)
> o + - ICANN Board Seat 14 – NCPH - additional Council meeting
> Thursday, 10 April 2014 at 14:00 UTC
> + this is a placeholder for that meeting -- Glen to follow up
> to the list -- rationale for meeting
> o + - Note the Root Server System Advisory Committee (RSSAC)
> presence in Singapore
> + Action: schedule them with ISPCP on Tuesday?
> + Action: note public session to ISPCP list
> o + - Meeting Strategy WG has draft out for comment
> + +- Action: forward to ISPCP list - DONE
> # ~ icann.org > En > News > Public-comment >
> Meetings-strategy-25feb14-en
> <http://www.icann.org/en/news/public-comment/meetings-strategy-25feb14-en.htm>
> + Action: comments from ISPCP? - DONE
> o + - Amr: EWG process -- is Issue report the same as the EWG
> final report?
> +
>
> Marika: important to separate the two. final report due
> London, may be another round of public comment.
>
> There is already an initial report underway -- EWG will feed
> into that Issue Report, which will proceed to PDP because
> it's Board initiated
>
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