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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=925191115-19102007><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>I am not in favor of voting during our weekend meetings on
such short notice. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=925191115-19102007><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>Although I will arrive on Friday night, it would not
surprise me if that was not true for all Councilors, and that some of our
colleagues may have made travel arrangements based on the reasonable assumption
that the working meetings were just that. ( Personally, I would prefer
that we have final agendas set no less than 30 days before the first "working"
meeting so that we can make the most inexpensive flight
arrangements.)</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=925191115-19102007><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>Further, the IPC has scheduled the majority of its
decision-making for the constituency meeting on Tuesday. While I
understand that we could stop just short of voting, it seems likely to me that
views may change in the intervening days such that time spent during the working
meetings may not be most efficiently utilized.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> owner-council@gnso.icann.org
[mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Avri
Doria<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, October 19, 2007 10:58 AM<BR><B>To:</B> Council
GNSO<BR><B>Subject:</B> [council] Re: Draft Schedule for GNSO related meetings
in LA<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>Hi,
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<DIV>A few responses:</DIV>
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<DIV>On 19 okt 2007, at 10.34, Philip Sheppard wrote:</DIV>
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<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px">I do understand the mess we are in with no
decisions taken at the last call and a Council</DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px">meeting now blended in with a public
forum.</DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>
<DIV><BR class=khtml-block-placeholder></DIV>I do not beleive we are in a
mess. I am sorry you do. I believe we have a lot of work to
do. And we have to do it as appropriately as possible.</DIV>
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<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px">However, it is not appropriate to use the Sat and
Sun meetings as substitute Council</DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px">meetings.</DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>
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<DIV>I do not understand why it is not appropriate for these to _be_ council
meetings. There is no rule that says we can have only 1 meeting while in
a face to face meeting. I think that we can use our time as profitably
as possible and if that involves having more hours of meeting, I see no rules
that bar it.</DIV>
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<DIV>Now if most of the council members believe that it is inappropriate,
that is a different story.</DIV><BR class=Apple-interchange-newline>
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<P style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT style="FONT: 12px Helvetica" face=Helvetica
size=3>Firstly, our by-laws require an agenda and 7 days notice: ie
certainty not maybe it is,</FONT></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT style="FONT: 12px Helvetica" face=Helvetica
size=3>maybe it isn't.</FONT></P></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR></DIV>
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<DIV>We have an agenda as of now and there is still more then a week before
each of those meetings. and I did mention that any motions would have to
be submitted in advance other then minor ones (e.g. we vote to thank X
for Y. or we need a sub group to do draft Z). As is always the
case.</DIV>
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<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px">Secondly, the Sat and Sun meetings come BEFORE
Constituency meetings: surely the reason for</DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px">delaying the decision making at our last call, was
to be able to discuss in the</DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px">Constituencies?</DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>
<DIV><BR class=khtml-block-placeholder></DIV>Yes, and i was not suggesting we
make any major decisions that have never been discussed before. On each
possible decisions, as was done in the past, the council members can indicate
whether they are ready or not for a vote and whether they need to take the
issue back to their constituencies. So I am not suggesting anything
different then what we have done in the past. And if no one suggests any
significant motions in time for the meeting, then there won't be any
significant motions that might need constituency pre-discussion.
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<DIV>I am aware that some decisions are of such a major importance that
council members need to go back to the constituencies before they can
vote. On the other hand, there are other decisions, e.g. to constitute
an ad hoc group to do something, that may be possible for a council
member to vote on without returning for specific instructions.
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<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px">Thirdly, whereas I am all in favour or improving
outreach in the public forum, it is not</DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px">acceptable to compromise the integrity of our
Council meeting as a result. Either we can</DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px">achieve what Council must or we cannot. If the new
format stops Council functioning, the new</DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px">format needs revisiting.</DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>
<DIV><BR class=khtml-block-placeholder></DIV>Are you suggesting that it does
compromise the council's integrity? Certainly after we have tried this
format once, we should review it and can either fine tune it or change.
We are doing this as a response to comments that were made by the commenting
community, so I suggest we see if it works before we decide that it
compromises our integrity. And yes, a change in one place, may require
some concomitant changes in other places.</DIV>
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<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px">So, to end on my usual positive note.</DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px">By all means lets use Sat and Sun to discuss the
issues, but with no votes.</DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>
<DIV><BR class=khtml-block-placeholder></DIV>I would like to hear other
council member's opinions on this last point (on any of the points really,
but especially on this last one)</DIV>
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<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px">Then, the time needed on the actual Council meeting
(Wed Oct 31) can be short and sweet to</DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px">do the voting.</DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>
<DIV><BR class=khtml-block-placeholder></DIV>Well we still need to listen to
what is said by the community and then consider what has been said before
voting.<BR>
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<DIV>thanks</DIV>
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<DIV>a.</DIV>
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