<html><body><div>Agreed. I think there are other clarifying questions that we should ask as well. One I have is in regards to the selection of Councilors from the stakeholder groups. There are differing views as what is meant.</div>
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<div>One interpretation is that each of the stakeholder groups will individually select four Councilors from among their respective group. The other intrepretation is that the supplier stakeholder groups would together select eight councilors, four from each group. The user stakeholder groups would do the same. It is a subtle but important difference.</div>
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<div>Of course the other possibility is that the BGC WG intended us to figure out how that would work.</div>
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<div>I think any clarifying questions of this nature are necessary prior to forming a Council response to the report.</div>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=163160016-02112007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Avri,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=163160016-02112007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>I did not assume such a restrictive role for the Council under the proposed improvements, i.e., "<FONT face="Times New Roman" color=#000000 size=3> the Council only being responsible for process management</FONT>". I assumed that the Council's responsibilities would include policy management in a broader sense than just process management although I think the two areas are hard to differentiate in some cases. I fully agree with you that the policy items you identified should be the responsibility of the Council under the proposed model and would add to your examples the following: ensuring that policy development work complies with Bylaws restrictions defining consensus policy development (a change recommended in the recommendations) or, if the work does not apply as possible consensus policy development, making that clear to the working group in advance and throughout th!
e process as needed.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=163160016-02112007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>When I made my public comments in the GNSO Improvements Workshop on Monday, I made them with the above assumption. That is why I thought that there would still be good motivation to participate on the Council. If in fact, the BGC WG intended the more restrictive role of the Council as you concluded, then I would have more empathy for the concern about attracting qualified participants to the Council.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=163160016-02112007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>It seems to me that it would be very good if you, as chair, seek clarification from the BGC WG in this regard so that we know whether or not there is a concern here that we should address or not. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> owner-council@gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Avri Doria<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, November 02, 2007 10:14 AM<BR><B>To:</B> Council GNSO<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [council] AWOL and the reform proposals<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<DIV>I sent the following in to the gnso-improvements list during the meeting on Monday.</DIV>
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<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px">First I thank the working group for its efforts and find myself in agreement with much of the report.</DIV>
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<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px">While I agree that the GNSO Council should not be a legislative body, I am concerned about scope in your definition of "management." The report seems rather explicit in defining management solely as responsibility for process. I think that the notion of management needs to be expanded to include responsibility for Policy management.</DIV>
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<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px">I think the idea of the Council only being responsible for process management is too limited. And while I accept the arguments that this will make recruitment much more difficult, not only among constituencies and stakeholder group, but within the Nomcom process, I think that this is the lesser of the problems with this approach.</DIV>
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<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px">I support the idea of Working Groups, despite the challenge involved in creating working groups that are of sufficiently diverse and of manageable size. I think that the Council needs to remain responsible for the policy activities and output of the working groups. Not only do I think that councillors should be chosen as stewards for these Working Groups, but I believe that the Council should have a role in determining whether the policy recommendations are compatible with ICANN mission and core value and other policy recommendations. Beyond this there is a need to make sure that the various policy recommendation are not seen individually but are seen in the light of other policy processes and efforts. This does not mean that the council should be able to reject the work of a working group because it disagrees with the conclusions. It does mean that the council should be able to return policy recommendations to the working group with policy issues an!
d concerns that it believes are not adequately dealt with.</DIV>
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<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px">I agree with the comment that Thomas Narten made, it is critical for the council to have a voice in deciding whether the policy recommendations of a working group are good for the Internet community. To me, this means that the council must retain a policy management role.</DIV>
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<DIV>On 2 nov 2007, at 06.59, Philip Sheppard wrote:</DIV><BR class=Apple-interchange-newline>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=751324513-02112007>Fellow Council members,</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=751324513-02112007>many apologies for missing the meetings in LA this week but alas my duties as IPRA president intervened.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=751324513-02112007>And I was flying during our voting meeting so could not dial-in without bankrupting the BC.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=751324513-02112007>Anyway, it seems that some good progress was made on many issues (though I note not on the politically sensitive issue of IGOs). </SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=751324513-02112007><FONT face=Arial size=2><STRONG>GNSO reform</STRONG></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=751324513-02112007><FONT face=Arial size=2>The reform proposals pose some fundamental challenges to the heritage we guard known as the bottom-up process.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=751324513-02112007><FONT face=Arial size=2>While we may differ in outcomes with respect to constituency boundary changes, it may be productive to have debate on some of the wider issues of the reform proposals.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=751324513-02112007><FONT face=Arial size=2>In particular it would be good to know fellow Council members views on the objective that Council should manage the PDP but not decide (if I may paraphrase).</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=751324513-02112007><FONT face=Arial size=2>This objective is separate to its implementation (eg work groups ) for which I see little need to debate as we do them anyway when we believe they are right to do.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=751324513-02112007><FONT face=Arial size=2>But I am concerned that the objective may weaken Council by diminishing the incentive for participation.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=751324513-02112007><FONT face=Arial size=2>It would be good to learn of opinions on this.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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