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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=379134501-22012008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>I also support your proposal, Chuck, and agree with both
you and Robin w/r/t IDN ccTLD string criteria. I did read the "delegation
suspension" bullet to apply to IDN gTLDs.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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color=#0000ff size=2>K </FONT></SPAN><BR></DIV>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> owner-council@gnso.icann.org
[mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Robin
Gross<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, January 21, 2008 7:41 PM<BR><B>To:</B> Chuck
Gomes; Council GNSO<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [council] Fwd: ccNSO response to
GNSO resolution<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<DIV>Thanks for giving this so much thought, Chuck. I support your
proposal for moving forward. And I agree that if the IDN ccTLD string
selection criteria ends up being the one quoted below, we shouldn't have too
much disagreement.</DIV>
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<DIV>Robin</DIV>
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<DIV>
<DIV>On Jan 21, 2008, at 8:35 AM, Gomes, Chuck wrote:</DIV><BR
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=562520715-21012008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>Here a some of my thoughts in response to this letter
as well as some suggested action items that I think should be done in
the next few days.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=562520715-21012008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=562520715-21012008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>First of all, I compliment the ccNSO on a well
articulated letter with what seems to me to be a constructive tone.
Second, I suggest that Avri officially support the recommendation
for a joint ccNSO/GNSO meeting in New Delhi, an idea that I
believe she has already indicated support for. Third, I recommend
that we use the time we have between now and New Delhi to carefully prepare
for the proposed joint ccNSO/GNSO meeting in New Delhi. Regarding the
latter:</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV align=left><SPAN class=562520715-21012008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>I believe that completion of the GNSO response to the
ccNSO/GAC Issues Paper on IDN ccTLDs is a key step. Ideally it would
have been good to accomplish that before the end of the ccNSO public
comment period on their IDN ccTLD PDP (25 January). Because that is
not feasible before the New Delhi meetings, I suggest that, before 25
January, Avri send a letter to the ccNSO and to their comment
site informing them that our response (as requested by the Board)
will not be completed until New Delhi and we respectfully request that our
input be considered in the PDP. [Note that we would need to act on this
before the end of this current week so we will have to decide whether or
not to do this via our list.]</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<LI>
<DIV align=left><SPAN class=562520715-21012008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>I do not think that it will be effective to engage in
discussion with the ccNSO regarding the issues we are concerned about
prior to the joint meeting in New Delhi. In my opinion, the chances
are too high that there will be misunderstanding and even miscommunication
until both Councils are face to face and that can cause more harm to the
success of the joint meeting than good.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<LI>
<DIV align=left><SPAN class=562520715-21012008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>As a means of getting our preparation for the joint
meeting started, I identify the following points from the ccNSO letter to
the Board for which I believe we need to prepare: 1) The ccNSO clearly
believes that the issues we raised will take much longer than 120 days; 2)
they appear to assume that it is possible to introduce fast tract IDN
ccTLDs before any resolution of the issues we raised; 3) they state that
as far as the issues relate to IDN ccTLDs, they should be the
responsibility of the ccNSO; 4) they also believe that they must be dealt
with in a PDP. I provide my preliminary thinking about each of these
below.</FONT></SPAN></DIV></LI></UL>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=562520715-21012008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2><U>1) The ccNSO clearly believes that the issues we
raised will take much longer than 120 days.</U></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<LI>
<DIV align=left><SPAN class=562520715-21012008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>The original intent of the 120 day target was to
attempt to avoid any further delays in the implementation of IDN TLDs
(gTLDs or cc fast track IDN TLDs).</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<LI>
<DIV align=left><SPAN class=562520715-21012008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>I believe that the goal of avoiding further delays
remains valid and if the 120 day target is unrealistic, then it is
important to begin work on the issues we raised as soon as
possible with the goal of at least agreeing to some interim approach until
full resolution of the issues can be
completed.</FONT></SPAN></DIV></LI></UL>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=562520715-21012008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2><U>2) They appear to assume that it is possible to
introduce fast tract IDN ccTLDs before any resolution of the issues we
raised.</U></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<LI>
<DIV align=left><SPAN class=562520715-21012008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>I believe that this may be a fundamental difference
of opinion between the GNSO and ccNSO but not one that necessarily needs
to be a show stopper. I think it is less important for the two SO's
to come to agreement on the assumption than it is to jointly develop an
interim approach as suggested in the previous item.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<LI>
<DIV align=left><SPAN class=562520715-21012008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>I don't think we should spend a lot of time trying to
convince them that a final policy for allocating new TLDs into GNSO and
ccNSO name space has to happen before any IDN TLDs are introduced,
but instead we should work together to come up with a
way that our concerns can be addressed in the short term. I
Therefore, I recommend that we focus our attention on coming up with some
ways forward on this that satisfy our needs with regard to TLD allocation
and still allow the ccNSO to deal with the bigger policy issues over
a longer period of time.</FONT></SPAN></DIV></LI></UL>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=562520715-21012008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2><U>3) They state that as far as the issues relate to
IDN ccTLDs, they should be the responsibility of the
ccNSO.</U></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<LI>
<DIV align=left><SPAN class=562520715-21012008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>This is a point where I believe there is gap in
understanding between the GNSO and ccNSO or at least there does not
seem to be an recognition of a key point we tried to make:
allocation of new TLDs into the DNS is an issue that affects both SO's and
therefore must be worked by both SO's.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<LI>
<DIV align=left><SPAN class=562520715-21012008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>This is an area that I think deserves caution because
I think it would be counterproductive for us to give the impression that
the GNSO wants to determine policy for the ccNSO so we should make it
clear from the outset that that is not our intent.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<LI>
<DIV align=left><SPAN class=562520715-21012008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>This is a place where an example might be
helpful. Consider the case of .berlin. Should that be a GNSO
or a ccNSO. It appears to me at a minimum that guidelines need to be
in place before .berlin is introduce that determine what SO has policy
responsibility. And any such guidelines need to be developed by both
SO's because both SO's are impacted.</FONT></SPAN></DIV></LI></UL>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=562520715-21012008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=562520715-21012008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2><U>4) They believe that the issues the GNSO
raised must be dealt with in a PDP.</U></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<LI>
<DIV align=left><SPAN class=562520715-21012008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>If this is the case, which PDP process should be
used? the GNSO PDP or the ccNSO PDP? It may not matter
too much provided that the PDP used allows for full participation by the
other SO with regard to the TLD allocation issue.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<LI>
<DIV align=left><SPAN class=562520715-21012008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>At present, there is not a joint PDP process in the
ICANN Bylaws; maybe this is an idea for further
development.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<LI>
<DIV align=left><SPAN class=562520715-21012008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>The idea of a less formal joint working group was
made to facilitate a timely response to the issues. In my opinion,
waiting two years for a ccNSO PDP process doesn't work, at least not for
the development of an interim approach to the broader TLD allocation
issues. This seems to be a key area where the two SO's need to focus
attention.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<LI>
<DIV align=left><SPAN class=562520715-21012008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>In the meantime, I am confident that we can work
together with the ccNSO. From what I have observed so far, the ccNSO
is heading in a direction that is not far off from what we could
support. In the draft issues report that the IDNC is considering,
one idea under consideration for IDN ccTLD string selection is this:
"<SPAN lang=EN-GB
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-ansi-language: EN-GB; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA"><FONT
color=#000000>the string must be a meaningful representation of the name
of the Territory or an abbreviation of the name of the Territory in the
relevant script</FONT></SPAN>". Please note that this is not a final
position. But if it is adopted it provides some defined limitations
in terms of IDN ccTLDs and could possibly even be used in developing
interim guidelines for allocation of TLDs into the two policy name
spaces.o</FONT></SPAN></DIV></LI></UL>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=562520715-21012008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>Finally, I have concerns about the following statement
in the next to last paragraph of the ccNSO letter to the Board: "<FONT
face=Tahoma size=3>During the process the delegation of new TLDs would need
to be suspended to ensure that TLDs are not created in circumstances that
would be a breach of the policy being developed.</FONT>" I think we
need to get clarification of this in the proposed joint meeting.
Considering that the ccNSO PDP is estimated to take at least two years, this
could easily be a way of delaying IDN gTLDs, depending on what it
means. I am not suggesting that it was intended that way but I
definitely think we need to get clarity in that regard.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=562520715-21012008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=562520715-21012008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>In conclusion, I am proposing the following action
times, the first two of which need to happen in the next four days (NLT 25
Jan.):</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV align=left><SPAN class=562520715-21012008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>Avri send a letter to Chris Dispain
officially supporting the recommendation for a joint ccNSO/GNSO
meeting in New Delhi.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<LI>
<DIV align=left><SPAN class=562520715-21012008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>Avri send a letter to the ccNSO and to their comment
site informing them that our response to the ccNSO/GAC Issues Paper
on IDN ccTLDs (as requested by the Board) will not be completed until
New Delhi and we respectfully request that our input be considered in the
PDP.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<LI>
<DIV align=left><SPAN class=562520715-21012008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>We initiate a planning process for the joint meeting
in New Delhi ASAP.</FONT></SPAN></DIV></LI></OL>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=562520715-21012008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>To facilitate moving forward on the above so that we
can meet the time constraints, please comment on the Council list right
away.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=562520715-21012008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>Chuck</FONT></SPAN></DIV><BR>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> owner-council@gnso.icann.org [<A
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<B>On Behalf Of </B>Avri Doria<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, January 21, 2008 6:30
AM<BR><B>To:</B> Council GNSO<BR><B>Subject:</B> [council] Fwd: ccNSO
response to GNSO resolution<BR><B>Importance:</B> High<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>Forwarded with permission
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