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<div>Chuck,</div><div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div>I agree with you that trademarks are only a subset of "confusingly similar". The point is that trademarks are outside of the realm of technical confusion, and only technical confusion should be included within the "confusingly similar" issue since that is all that is within ICANN's scope of authority. </div><div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div>I disagree that international law says that domain names, without any analysis of their use, can be considered confusingly similar. Please remember the presentation that Professor Christine Haight Farley, American University international trademark law expert, gave to us in San Juan, where she attempted to explain this key point in detail. </div><div> Her paper is online at: <a href="http://ipjustice.org/wp/2007/06/06/farley-legal-briefing/">http://ipjustice.org/wp/2007/06/06/farley-legal-briefing/</a></div><div> and the video of her presentation is at: <a href="http://www.keep-the-core-neutral.org/node/31">http://www.keep-the-core-neutral.org/node/31</a></div><div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div>It is a mistake for us to continue to expand trademark rights in domain names beyond the scope of rights that trademark law grants. So I can't support a GNSO position that does this.</div><div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div>Another suggestion that was provided at our dinner table last night was that a better way to deal with confusion caused by similar script characters (such as the "paypal example") is by the creation of new FONTS that make the characters more distinct and thus eliminate this type of confusion through a software fix (rather than by expanding trademark rights). I agree that we should explore this approach.</div><div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div>Thanks,</div><div>Robin</div><div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><br><div><div>On Feb 11, 2008, at 4:00 AM, Gomes, Chuck wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"> <div dir="ltr" align="left"><span class="788175611-11022008"><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2">Recommendation 2 (confusingly similar) does not necessarily relate to trademarks although that could be a subset. The detailed discussion we included for this was taken from international law relating to trademarks but the intent was to apply the requirement on broader basis, in particularly for existing gTLDs that do not have any trade mark rights.</font></span></div> <div dir="ltr" align="left"><span class="788175611-11022008"><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2"></font></span> </div> <div dir="ltr" align="left"><span class="788175611-11022008"><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2">Chuck</font></span></div><br> <div class="OutlookMessageHeader" lang="en-us" dir="ltr" align="left"> <hr tabindex="-1"> <font face="Tahoma" size="2"><b>From:</b> owner-council@gnso.icann.org [<a href="mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org">mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Robin Gross<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, February 11, 2008 12:50 AM<br><b>To:</b> Council GNSO<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [council] Response to ccNSO/GAC Issues report<br></font><br></div> <div></div> <div>The same issue was raised at my table by the board members. The feeling was "if two countries are going to start a war over a domain name, that is their problem. They must pick 1 name." I think there is merit to this view. It was also mentioned that Chinese is a script that is used by a large community in just about EVERY country in the world, so does this mean every country gets a script in Chinese? In the US alone, there are large language communities for probably 10 scripts, giving the US 10 scripts under our rule. I do not believe this is what we intended.</div> <div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div> <div>And a few other points were raised that need to be dealt with. In particular, the recommendation that "strings must not be confusingly similar" is misplaced. Only technical confusion is the type that should be dealt with here, not general confusion. I agree. This recommendation really does not make sense from a trademark viewpoint (although that is how it is intended), since a domain name, by itself, does not cause confusion, but only with relation to how the domain is used. We are going well beyond technical stability and trying to regulate other things that are outside ICANN's authority.</div> <div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div> <div>Perhaps we should give more thought to our recommendations before we vote on them. I found the feedback from the board to be enormously useful and we should try to address their concerns before voting.</div> <div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div> <div>Thanks,</div> <div>Robin</div> <div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div> <div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><br> <div> <div>On Feb 10, 2008, at 7:39 PM, Norbert Klein wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"> <blockquote type="cite"> <div style="MARGIN: 0px">I also agree with Avri's suggestion, where others already consented.</div> <div style="MIN-HEIGHT: 14px; MARGIN: 0px"><br></div> <div style="MARGIN: 0px">At the table I was - and I later talking to people from another table - there<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></div> <div style="MARGIN: 0px">was opposition to the "One IDNccTLD per one script per one language<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></div> <div style="MARGIN: 0px">group": "their government should decide to choose just one."</div> <div style="MIN-HEIGHT: 14px; MARGIN: 0px"><br></div> <div style="MARGIN: 0px">I was surprised about the lack of sensitivity on the political/social/cultural<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></div> <div style="MARGIN: 0px">implications. I argued - as a example - saying that it would be highly<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></div> <div style="MARGIN: 0px">destructive in the presently tense situation, if the Malaysian government<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></div> <div style="MARGIN: 0px">would give preference to the Chinese over against the Indian ethnic sections<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></div> <div style="MARGIN: 0px">of the society by allocating only one IDNccTLD, but this was dismissed<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></div> <div style="MARGIN: 0px">as "not ICANN's problem."</div> <div style="MIN-HEIGHT: 14px; MARGIN: 0px"><br></div> <div style="MARGIN: 0px">Norbert</div> <div style="MIN-HEIGHT: 14px; MARGIN: 0px"><br></div> <div style="MARGIN: 0px">-</div> <div style="MIN-HEIGHT: 14px; MARGIN: 0px"><br></div> <div style="MARGIN: 0px">----------<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Forwarded Message<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>----------</div> <div style="MIN-HEIGHT: 14px; MARGIN: 0px"><br></div> <div style="MARGIN: 0px">Subject: RE: [council] Response to ccNSO/GAC Issues report</div> <div style="MARGIN: 0px">Date: Monday, 11 February 2008</div> <div style="MARGIN: 0px">From: "Edmon Chung" <<a href="mailto:edmon@dotasia.org">edmon@dotasia.org</a>></div> <div style="MARGIN: 0px">To: "'Council GNSO'" <<a href="mailto:council@gnso.icann.org">council@gnso.icann.org</a>></div> <div style="MIN-HEIGHT: 14px; MARGIN: 0px"><br></div> <div style="MIN-HEIGHT: 14px; MARGIN: 0px"><br></div> <div style="MARGIN: 0px">Agreed.</div> <div style="MARGIN: 0px">Edmon</div> <div style="MIN-HEIGHT: 14px; MARGIN: 0px"><br></div> <div style="MIN-HEIGHT: 14px; MARGIN: 0px"><br></div> <blockquote type="cite"> <div style="MARGIN: 0px">-----Original Message-----</div> <div style="MARGIN: 0px">From: <a href="mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org">owner-council@gnso.icann.org</a> [<a href="mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org">mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org</a>] On</div> <div style="MARGIN: 0px">Behalf Of Adrian Kinderis</div> <div style="MARGIN: 0px">Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 10:11 AM</div> <div style="MARGIN: 0px">To: Avri Doria; Council GNSO</div> <div style="MARGIN: 0px">Subject: RE: [council] Response to ccNSO/GAC Issues report</div> <div style="MIN-HEIGHT: 14px; MARGIN: 0px"><br></div> <div style="MIN-HEIGHT: 14px; MARGIN: 0px"><br></div> <div style="MARGIN: 0px">The same issue was raised at our table Avri.</div> <div style="MIN-HEIGHT: 14px; MARGIN: 0px"><br></div> <div style="MARGIN: 0px">I believe your suggested change would be appropriate.</div> <div style="MIN-HEIGHT: 14px; MARGIN: 0px"><br></div> <div style="MARGIN: 0px">Regards,</div> <div style="MIN-HEIGHT: 14px; MARGIN: 0px"><br></div> <div style="MARGIN: 0px">Adrian Kinderis</div></blockquote> <div style="MIN-HEIGHT: 14px; MARGIN: 0px"><br></div> <div style="MARGIN: 0px">--<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></div> <div style="MARGIN: 0px">If you want to know what is going on in Cambodia,</div> <div style="MARGIN: 0px">please visit us regularly - you can find something new every day:</div> <div style="MIN-HEIGHT: 14px; MARGIN: 0px"><br></div> <div style="MARGIN: 0px"><a href="http://cambodiamirror.wordpress.com">http://cambodiamirror.wordpress.com</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></div> <div style="MIN-HEIGHT: 14px; MARGIN: 0px"><br></div> <div style="MARGIN: 0px">Agreed.</div> <div style="MARGIN: 0px">Edmon</div> <div style="MIN-HEIGHT: 14px; MARGIN: 0px"><br></div> <div style="MIN-HEIGHT: 14px; MARGIN: 0px"><br></div> <blockquote type="cite"> <div style="MARGIN: 0px">-----Original Message-----</div> <div style="MARGIN: 0px">From: <a href="mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org">owner-council@gnso.icann.org</a> [<a href="mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org">mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org</a>] On</div> <div style="MARGIN: 0px">Behalf Of Adrian Kinderis</div> <div style="MARGIN: 0px">Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 10:11 AM</div> <div style="MARGIN: 0px">To: Avri Doria; Council GNSO</div> <div style="MARGIN: 0px">Subject: RE: [council] Response to ccNSO/GAC Issues report</div> <div style="MIN-HEIGHT: 14px; MARGIN: 0px"><br></div> <div style="MIN-HEIGHT: 14px; MARGIN: 0px"><br></div> <div style="MARGIN: 0px">The same issue was raised at our table Avri.</div> <div style="MIN-HEIGHT: 14px; MARGIN: 0px"><br></div> <div style="MARGIN: 0px">I believe your suggested change would be appropriate.</div> <div style="MIN-HEIGHT: 14px; MARGIN: 0px"><br></div> <div style="MARGIN: 0px">Regards,</div> <div style="MIN-HEIGHT: 14px; MARGIN: 0px"><br></div> <div style="MARGIN: 0px">Adrian Kinderis</div> <div style="MARGIN: 0px">Managing Director</div> <div style="MARGIN: 0px">AusRegistry Group Pty Ltd</div> <div style="MARGIN: 0px">Level 8, 10 Queens Road</div> <div style="MARGIN: 0px">Melbourne. Victoria Australia. 3004</div> <div style="MARGIN: 0px">Ph: +61 3 9866 3710</div> <div style="MARGIN: 0px">Fax: +61 3 9866 1970</div> <div style="MARGIN: 0px">Email: <a href="mailto:adrian@ausregistry.com">adrian@ausregistry.com</a></div> <div style="MARGIN: 0px">Web: <a href="http://www.ausregistrygroup.com">www.ausregistrygroup.com</a></div> <div style="MIN-HEIGHT: 14px; MARGIN: 0px"><br></div> <div style="MARGIN: 0px">The information contained in this communication is intended for the</div> <div style="MARGIN: 0px">named recipients only. It is subject to copyright and may contain</div> <div style="MARGIN: 0px">legally privileged and confidential information and if you are not an</div> <div style="MARGIN: 0px">intended recipient you must not use, copy, distribute or take any action</div> <div style="MARGIN: 0px">in reliance on it. If you have received this communication in error,</div> <div style="MARGIN: 0px">please delete all copies from your system and notify us immediately.</div> <div style="MIN-HEIGHT: 14px; MARGIN: 0px"><br></div> <div style="MIN-HEIGHT: 14px; MARGIN: 0px"><br></div> <div style="MARGIN: 0px">-----Original Message-----</div> <div style="MARGIN: 0px">From: <a href="mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org">owner-council@gnso.icann.org</a> [<a href="mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org">mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org</a>]</div> <div style="MARGIN: 0px">On Behalf Of Avri Doria</div> <div style="MARGIN: 0px">Sent: Monday, 11 February 2008 12:59 PM</div> <div style="MARGIN: 0px">To: Council GNSO</div> <div style="MARGIN: 0px">Subject: [council] Response to ccNSO/GAC Issues report</div> <div style="MIN-HEIGHT: 14px; MARGIN: 0px"><br></div> <div style="MIN-HEIGHT: 14px; MARGIN: 0px"><br></div> <div style="MARGIN: 0px">Hi,</div> <div style="MIN-HEIGHT: 14px; MARGIN: 0px"><br></div> <div style="MARGIN: 0px">At my table this evening, we had a conversation about Executive</div> <div style="MARGIN: 0px">summary point #5 - specifically the last phrase "... without GNSO's</div> <div style="MARGIN: 0px">concurrence"</div> <div style="MIN-HEIGHT: 14px; MARGIN: 0px"><br></div> <div style="MARGIN: 0px">While explaning it this, I explained that it really refered to the</div> <div style="MARGIN: 0px">need to have have resolved the issue as explained in #2 and the ICANn</div> <div style="MARGIN: 0px">community had<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>achieved a common agreement of an interim procedure.</div> <div style="MIN-HEIGHT: 14px; MARGIN: 0px"><br></div> <div style="MARGIN: 0px">I am wondering whether we might be to change it to say: " without</div> <div style="MARGIN: 0px">prior community concurrence"</div> <div style="MIN-HEIGHT: 14px; MARGIN: 0px"><br></div> <div style="MARGIN: 0px">thanks</div> <div style="MIN-HEIGHT: 14px; MARGIN: 0px"><br></div> <div style="MARGIN: 0px">a.</div></blockquote> <div style="MIN-HEIGHT: 14px; MARGIN: 0px"><br></div> <div style="MIN-HEIGHT: 14px; MARGIN: 0px"><br></div></blockquote></div><br> <div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="WORD-SPACING: 0px; FONT: 12px Helvetica; TEXT-TRANSFORM: none; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); TEXT-INDENT: 0px; WHITE-SPACE: normal; LETTER-SPACING: normal; BORDER-COLLAPSE: separate; orphans: 2; widows: 2; webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; webkit-text-stroke-width: 0"> <div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><br class="khtml-block-placeholder"></div> <div><br class="khtml-block-placeholder"></div> <div>IP JUSTICE</div> <div>Robin Gross, Executive Director</div> <div>1192 Haight Street, San Francisco, CA 94117 USA</div> <div>p: +1-415-553-6261 f: +1-415-462-6451</div> <div>w: <a href="http://www.ipjustice.org">http://www.ipjustice.org</a> e: <a href="mailto:robin@ipjustice.org">robin@ipjustice.org</a></div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"></span><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"></div><br></blockquote></div><br><div> <span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0; "><div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><br class="khtml-block-placeholder"></div><div><br class="khtml-block-placeholder"></div><div>IP JUSTICE</div><div>Robin Gross, Executive Director</div><div>1192 Haight Street, San Francisco, CA 94117 USA</div><div>p: +1-415-553-6261 f: +1-415-462-6451</div><div>w: <a href="http://www.ipjustice.org">http://www.ipjustice.org</a> e: <a href="mailto:robin@ipjustice.org">robin@ipjustice.org</a></div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"></span><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"> </div><br></body></html>