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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I would be fine with concept of an IDN ccTLD for any string that
is a ‘meaningful representation of a country name.’ I
understand there is work to define that and to provide a challenge procedure,
but think that should not be very difficult. The toughest part I envision
is to ensure that words that are languages can be gTLDs, i.e. .hebrew or
..korean in those scripts; even though .israel or .korea in those scripts would be
proper ccTLDs. If ccNSO and GAC commit that they will not request any
additional strings beyond representations of country names, then we should not
stand in the way of those. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>In answer to Robin’s question whether any/every country
should get an IDN ccTLD in Chinese, I think that would be fine, just as they
all have one in ASCII.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Mike<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
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owner-council@gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] <b>On Behalf
Of </b>Robin Gross<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, February 11, 2008 4:13 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Council GNSO<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [council] Response to ccNSO/GAC Issues report<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>I see that my statement below has a typo that should be
corrected on the issue of the number of scripts per country. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>I did not mean "if two countries are going to
start a war over a domain name, ..." <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>I meant, if two COMMUNITIES within a country are going to
start a war over a domain name..." <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Further on this point, I don't think we should succumb to
the threat, "if you don't give us what we want, we will kill each
other". That does not strike me as the kind of principled argument
we should bow to.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Robin<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>On Feb 10, 2008, at 9:49 PM, Robin Gross wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>The same issue was raised at my table by the board members.
The feeling was "if two countries are going to start a war over a
domain name, that is their problem. They must pick 1 name." I
think there is merit to this view. It was also mentioned that
Chinese is a script that is used by a large community in just about EVERY
country in the world, so does this mean every country gets a script in Chinese?
In the US alone, there are large language communities for probably
10 scripts, giving the US 10 scripts under our rule. I do not believe
this is what we intended.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>And a few other points were raised that need to be dealt
with. In particular, the recommendation that "strings must not be
confusingly similar" is misplaced. Only technical confusion is the
type that should be dealt with here, not general confusion. I agree.
This recommendation really does not make sense from a trademark viewpoint
(although that is how it is intended), since a domain name, by itself, does not
cause confusion, but only with relation to how the domain is used.
We are going well beyond technical stability and trying to
regulate other things that are outside ICANN's authority.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Perhaps we should give more thought to our recommendations
before we vote on them. I found the feedback from the board to be
enormously useful and we should try to address their concerns before voting.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Thanks,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Robin<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>On Feb 10, 2008, at 7:39 PM, Norbert Klein wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>I also agree with Avri's suggestion, where others already
consented.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>At the table I was - and I later talking to people from
another table - there<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>was opposition to the "One IDNccTLD per one script per
one language<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>group": "their government should decide to choose
just one."<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>I was surprised about the lack of sensitivity on the
political/social/cultural<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>implications. I argued - as a example - saying that it would
be highly<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>destructive in the presently tense situation, if the Malaysian
government<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>would give preference to the Chinese over against the Indian
ethnic sections<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>of the society by allocating only one IDNccTLD, but this was
dismissed<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>as "not ICANN's problem."<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Norbert<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>-<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>----------<span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Forwarded
Message<span class=apple-converted-space> </span>----------<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Subject: RE: [council] Response to ccNSO/GAC Issues report<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Date: Monday, 11 February 2008<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>From: "Edmon Chung" <<a
href="mailto:edmon@dotasia.org">edmon@dotasia.org</a>><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>To: "'Council GNSO'" <<a
href="mailto:council@gnso.icann.org">council@gnso.icann.org</a>><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Agreed.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Edmon<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>-----Original Message-----<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>From: <a href="mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org">owner-council@gnso.icann.org</a>
[<a href="mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org">mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org</a>]
On<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Behalf Of Adrian Kinderis<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 10:11 AM<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>To: Avri Doria; Council GNSO<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Subject: RE: [council] Response to ccNSO/GAC Issues report<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>The same issue was raised at our table Avri.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>I believe your suggested change would be appropriate.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Regards,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Adrian Kinderis<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>--<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>If you want to know what is going on in Cambodia,<o:p></o:p></p>
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day:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Agreed.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Edmon<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>-----Original Message-----<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>From: <a href="mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org">owner-council@gnso.icann.org</a>
[<a href="mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org">mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org</a>]
On<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Behalf Of Adrian Kinderis<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 10:11 AM<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>To: Avri Doria; Council GNSO<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Subject: RE: [council] Response to ccNSO/GAC Issues report<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>The same issue was raised at our table Avri.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>I believe your suggested change would be appropriate.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Regards,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>-----Original Message-----<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>From: <a href="mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org">owner-council@gnso.icann.org</a>
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<p class=MsoNormal>On Behalf Of Avri Doria<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Sent: Monday, 11 February 2008 12:59 PM<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>To: Council GNSO<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Subject: [council] Response to ccNSO/GAC Issues report<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Hi,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>At my table this evening, we had a conversation about
Executive<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>summary point #5 - specifically the last phrase "...
without GNSO's<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>concurrence"<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>While explaning it this, I explained that it really refered
to the<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>need to have have resolved the issue as explained in #2 and
the ICANn<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>community had<span class=apple-converted-space> </span>achieved
a common agreement of an interim procedure.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>I am wondering whether we might be to change it to say:
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<p class=MsoNormal>prior community concurrence"<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>thanks<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black'>Robin Gross, Executive Director<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
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