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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=500372618-20082008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>Glad to have you on board Zahid. Please note a few
responses below.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=500372618-20082008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>Chuck Gomes, RyC</FONT></SPAN></DIV><BR>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> owner-council@gnso.icann.org
[mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Zahid
Jamil<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, August 20, 2008 11:03 AM<BR><B>To:</B>
'Council GNSO'<BR><B>Cc:</B> icann@rodenbaugh.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE:
[council] Revised Community Travel Support Procedure for
FY09<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'">Dear All,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'">It
is good to join the Council and this discussion. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'">First of all I think it is a
shame that the Travel Support allocated is so little and so structured that it
seems clear that greater thought ought have been given to the quantum and
structure of the allocation or at least the guidance as to how it is to be
allocated. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'">In
any case, now that we are confronted with the situation I would agree with
Mike in that, for R & R constituencies this is their bread and
butter and constitutes core business. Which is not the case for other
constituencies for whom there is more of a challenge to participate.<BR><SPAN
class=500372618-20082008><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>[Gomes,
Chuck] There are a couple of assumptions in your statements here that
need clarification: 1) It is true that for many registries and registrars
domain registration services are core areas of business but it should not
be concluded that domain registration services are there only business areas
or even that they make up a majority of the organizations focus; 2) The fact
that domain name policy involves a core business of a registry or
registrar does not at all mean that participating in ICANN meetings would
not be a challenge for some registries or registrars.</FONT></SPAN></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'"><SPAN
class=500372618-20082008><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'"><SPAN
class=500372618-20082008><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Let me
elaborate on 1) first: I am not a spokesman for SITA but I
think it is safe to say that the domain registration services they provide for
.aero represent a very small part of their business; at the same time,
they have made major contributions to policy work in ICANN in the
past. If SITA cannot justify sending someone to participate in an ICANN
meeting, should they be denied ICANN travel funding because they are a
registry? As I already responded to Mike Rodenbaugh, businesses in
general are very much like registries. Some are small, some are large
(much larger than any registries including VeriSign). Some can afford to
send representatives to ICANN meetings and can justify that because of the
importance of the issues at stake; some cannot.</FONT></SPAN></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'"><SPAN
class=500372618-20082008><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'"><SPAN
class=500372618-20082008><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Regarding 2),
registries and registrars are just like other businesses. Some have
resources to send representatives to ICANN meetings; some do not, even it it
is their core business. If we want all stakeholder groups to be
represented, shouldn't travel funding be provided equitably to all groups who
have a need?</FONT></SPAN></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'">I
may be new but for an Organisation the revenue of which comes from the R &
R’s to donate back money to the R & R’s so that can attend its policy
making meetings seems circular and to me it is not clear what rational purpose
that would serve.<BR><SPAN class=500372618-20082008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>[Gomes, Chuck] As Tim Ruiz already pointed out,
ICANN revenue from registries and registrars comes from registrants so there
is really nothing circular at all. The purpose for registrar and
registry participation is the same as it is for business
participation: policy development that involves ALL affected
stakeholders. BTW, it so happens that registries and registrars are
especially impacted because they have agreed via contracts to implement
consensus policies. As an attorney, I would expect that you understand
better than many the implications of doing that without knowing what
those policies are in advance. </FONT></SPAN><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'">It
would also seem that another purpose of the GNSO having representative
constituencies is to create a balance between the interests of suppliers (ie.
R&R’s) with the other constituencies (users). But if the funding is
not made available to these balancing reps it may leave the other
constituencies who cannot justify this as a core business from effectively
participating and maintaining the balance in the GNSO.<BR><SPAN
class=500372618-20082008><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>[Gomes,
Chuck] You are correct. There should be a balance. If
travel funding is going to be subsidized, it should be done in a way
that is equitable for all stakeholder groups, certainly including businesses
that cannot afford the travel expenses, but also including registrars and
registries that cannot afford the expenses, to the extent that funds are so
allocated.</FONT></SPAN></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'">I
think we should think about the actual purpose behind ICANN making the funding
available.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'">The
funding it seems to me is for outreach and to get more representation of those
for whom this does not represent a core business activity. As such the
other constituencies (other than R & R) should get more allocation of the
funds.<BR><SPAN class=500372618-20082008><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>[Gomes, Chuck] I am not sure the funding is actually intended for
outreach but it may not be productive to debate that. I
definitely do not agree that the purpose is "<FONT face="Times New Roman"
color=#000000 size=3>to get more representation of those for whom this does
not represent a core business activity</FONT>". To my knowledge,
the purpose has never been expressed as such. I agree though
that the purpose is to reduce some financial hurdles that some
stakeholders who are willing to participate in policy development processes
might have; in that sense, it is to increase representativeness in
general. But that goal should apply across all stakeholder groups.
If we are going to single out certain stakeholder groups, because
for-profit businesses in general may have more financial resources than some
not-for-profit organizations, then maybe we should conclude that the NCUC
should get more support than the BC. In reality, I think it is
problematic to over generalize about any stakeholder group whether it be
contracted parties, noncommercial organizations or for-profit
businesses. Some noncommercial organizations are very well funded; some
are not. Some for-profit organizations are very well funded; some are
not. So it seems best to examine the need on a case by case
basis.</FONT></SPAN></SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'">-----Original
Message-----<BR>From: owner-council@gnso.icann.org
[mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of Mike Rodenbaugh<BR>Sent: 19
August 2008 21:43<BR>To: 'Council GNSO'<BR>Subject: RE: [council] Revised
Community Travel Support Procedure for FY09</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'">A
strong argument can be made that Registry and Registrar
Constituencies<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'">should not get any travel
funding from ICANN for the meetings. The point of<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'">travel support is to ensure
that a full slate of advisory volunteers appears<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'">for
the meetings. The R and R reps normally would attend and
participate<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'">anyway, as part of their normal
business, which is not true for any of the<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'">other Constituencies.
Also, the Registry and Registrar Constituencies do<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'">not
have as much problem with outreach for members, since ICANN
contracts<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'">are
fundamental to their businesses. So they ought to be more able to
use<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'">Constituency funding for travel
than is true for the lesser funded "other"<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'">Constituencies.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'">As
a compromise for Cairo, perhaps those two Constituencies should
receive<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'">half the funding of the other
Constituencies, so that more is available for<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'">the
other Constituencies and for WG chairs that are not from
contracting<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'">parties.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'">-Mike<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'">-----Original
Message-----<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'">From:
owner-council@gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org]
On<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'">Behalf Of Tim
Ruiz<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'">Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008
8:35 AM<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'">To:
'Council GNSO'<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'">Subject: RE: [council] Revised
Community Travel Support Procedure for FY09<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'">I
don't really think there are any errors, although I agree that
the<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'">document could have included
some additional information that may have<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'">clarified.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'">In
any case, my proposal for Cairo would be the same. Allow at least
one<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'">spot per constituency and let
them decide how to allocate it. The ACs<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'">take care of their own as
instructed in the policy, and per the policy<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'">the
liaisons are covered outside of the 10 additional spots.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'">That would be six for the
Constituencies, one for the GNSO Chair, and<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'">three for the Council as a
whole to decide.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'">But
regardless of how we do it, basing it on supporting Councilors
who<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'">simply say they would/could not
otherwise attend is not appropriate. Let<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'">the
Constituencies decide if they want to support one of
their<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'">Councilors' travel, or someone
else they feel is important to have<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'">there. I propose that the two
or three spots left should not to go<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'">Councilors but instead be
considered for the Chairs of the WGs first,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'">and
then to others the Chairs of the WGs might suggest would be good
to<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'">have in Cairo to the benefit of
their policy work.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'">Tim
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'">-------- Original Message
--------<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'">Subject: RE: [council] Revised
Community Travel Support Procedure for <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'">FY09<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'">From: Alan Greenberg
<alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'">Date: Tue, August 19, 2008 8:54
am<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'">To:
"'Council GNSO'" <council@gnso.icann.org><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'">Tim, I prefixed my comments
saying that this is how I read it. As <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'">Avri has pointed out, our first
priority is to handle Cairo and for <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'">that meeting the issues of
Liaisons is moot.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'">In
any case, my rationale is not built solely on the numbers (I have
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'">already found and reported two
errors there). The first column <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'">explicitly includes the number
of liaisons. If (for an extreme <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'">example, the GNSO had 10
liaison, then that would have increased the <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'">number supported by 5. If all
of that were to go to non-liaison folk, <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'">that would severely distort the
intent (more than the possible <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'">rounding error of dividing an
odd number does now).<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'">In
any case, I expect that staff will clarify.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'">Alan<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'">At
19/08/2008 09:08 AM, Tim Ruiz wrote:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'">>Alan,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'">><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'">>Please review the policy
again. The Additional Support column of the<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'">>chart says "Half of
Remaining Council Size and Chair." Half of the<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'">>remaining Council (less
liaisons and NomCom) is 9, plus the Chair makes<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'">>10. That seems to add up
right to me.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'">><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'">>The liaisons and NomCom are
covered elsewhere in the policy. What the<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'">>Council has to come up with
is a documented, transparent policy around<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'">>allocating the additional
10. Since support for the Chair seems to be an<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'">>automatic, that leaves 9
spots to deal with. But note the policy is<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'">>*very* clear that those
spots do not have to go to Councilors (see the<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'">>sixth bullet under section
2.1 of the policy).<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'">><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'">>So I think it is perfectly
appropriate to allow the Constituencies to<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'">>each have at least one spot
to allocate as best fits the needs of its<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'">>members and how the use of
the funds would allow it to best contribute<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'">>to the policy process. That
would leave three spots for the Council as a<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'">>whole to
allocate.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'">><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'">>However, I would personnaly
support giving two spots to the NCUC and<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'">>there appears to be some
support for that within the RrC (ultimately,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'">>if/when there is a vote on
any allocation process I will vote the voice<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'">>of the RrC and not my own).
I also suggest that any Chairs of WGs that<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'">>are active at the time be
given preference for the remaining two or<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'">>three
spots.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'">><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'">><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'">>Tim<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'">><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'">><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'">>-------- Original Message
--------<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'">>Subject: Re: [council]
Revised Community Travel Support Procedure for<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'">>FY09<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'">>From: Alan Greenberg
<alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'">>Date: Mon, August 18, 2008
1:15 pm<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'">>To: "'Council GNSO'"
<council@gnso.icann.org><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'">><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'">><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'">>All of which follows is my
understanding only. Alan<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'">><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'">>At 18/08/2008 03:22 AM,
Philip Sheppard wrote:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'">><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'">> >Well its good to see
the maths has improved.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'">> >In terms of allocation
we very much need to decide who.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'">> >I would suggest given
the limited nature of this funding that it<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'">> >applies to only
elected<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'">> >Council
members.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'">> >This thus excludes nom
com (who are funded by another budget),<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'">><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'">>NomCom members are
explicitly fully funded according to the new<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'">>Revised Travel Support
Procedure (first sentence of 2.0 and 7th<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'">>bullet of 2.1 - the number
of people funded was explicitly increase<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'">>above 50% to cover them).
The NomCom appointee travel used to be in<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'">>the NomCom budget, but
apparently is being moved here (or at least<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'">>the budget is presented as
if it has).<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'">><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'">> > and excludes liaisons
who<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'">> >should be funded by
their own base organisation's budget.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'">><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'">>The calculation of number
of people eligible for funding was<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'">>augmented by the number of
Liaisons (23 for the GNSO which only has<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'">>21 full Councillors), so
Liaisons should be eligible for funding<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'">>under whatever rule is
decided upon. But that implies the money<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'">>cannot just be divided
among constituencies and NomCom appointees. In<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'">>my case, my current ALAC
term is up at the end of the Cairo meeting.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'">>Since I am a full ALAC
member, I need no additional funding from the<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'">>GNSO budget for that
meeting, so that money (I would guess) goes into<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'">>the general GNSO
pool.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'">><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'">>After Cairo, but before
July 2010, if I am replaced as Liaison by an<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'">>ALAC member, there would
presumably still be no need for GNSO budget.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'">>If I am replaced by someone
not on the ALAC, that person would be<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'">>eligible for GNSO funding
(perhaps with some back-room haggling<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'">>between the ALAC and
GNSO).<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'">><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'">>If the Board follows
through on its plan to cut 50% of ALAC funding<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'">>in July 2010, the ALAC
Liaison would presumably be eligible for at<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'">>least partial funding,
regardless of his/her committee status (unless<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'">>that person was a NomCom
appointee to the ALAC in which case they<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'">>would remain fully
funded).<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'">><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'">>Gee, its nice to have a
simple, understandable, transparent policy.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'">><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'">>Alan<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'">><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'">> >This seems to be the
basis for the budget thinking anyway.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'">> >Given that, then in
terms of subsequent allocation that should be<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'">> >done by constituency -
the<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'">> >body best placed to
determine need.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'">> ><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'">> >There is of course an
ethical dimension to the use of these<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'">> >limited funds that
those<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'">> >parties who benefit
from business opportunity as a result of ICANN<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'">> >policy may wish
to<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'">> >consider before
accepting funding.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'">> >Whether this ethical
dimension applies equally to the BC - as a<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'">> >function to our
recently<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'">> >growing membership of
domainers - is to my mind an interesting question.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'">>
>Philip<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>