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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>ICANN seems to have unlimited resources
when it comes to newTLD policy development.  It needs to deal with an
abusive registration problem that is large and is going to get exponentially
worse in the newTLD environment. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I disagree with the view that a PDP was
premature to address fast flux exploits.  We as a Council have no other
process in place, and that problem was and remains severe.  A broader
focus on Abusive Registrations could cover fast flux exploits, so that WG could
wrap up.  But it has been highly effective in documenting the scope of the
fast-flux problem, and outlining potential remedial measures.  How else
would that work have happened?  What do you propose with respect to
Abusive Registration Policies?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Mike<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> Gomes, Chuck
[mailto:cgomes@verisign.com] <br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, November 19, 2008
4:33 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> icann@rodenbaugh.com; GNSO
Council<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: [council] Issues
Report re Abuse Policies -- request for clarification from Counsel</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Mike,</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Please be careful about claiming that the
GNSO Council found that abusive registrations are within scope of policy
development.  A vote to initiate a PDP has an extremely low threshold and
there has been no decision by the Council that domain name abuse is within
scope. On another level, it is not the Council's role to define what is within
scope so your point is somewhat inappropriate even if it was accurate.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>In my opinion, initiating a PDP on Domain
Name Abuse would have a similar result as we have seen in the Fast Flux
PDP.  I am sure you read the comments of one BC rep and former chair of
that WG.  I personally think he makes a strong case that we prematurely
intiated a PDP for fast flux.  I believe the Fast Flux PDP WG has done
some very good work so I do not want to minimize that, but I believe we would
have been more effective if we tackled the problem more deliberately instead of
rushing into a PDP.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>We have limited resources and if we rush
into a PDP everytime there is a problem even though there may not be a clear
policy issue that could be worked, we are going to burn people out and have
trouble getting volunteers in the future.  That won't result in good
policy and it will limit our abiltity to succeed on other policy development
efforts.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Chuck<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> owner-council@gnso.icann.org
[mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On
Behalf Of </span></b>Mike Rodenbaugh<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, November 19, 2008
6:41 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> GNSO Council<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: [council] Issues
Report re Abuse Policies -- request for clarification from Counsel</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Thanks Liz.  I appreciate the attempt
to clarify, but I am still not clear about what is in and out of potential
scope.  With both the UDRP (cybersquatting) and fast flux exploits, nobody
would care whether the domain in question was registered, if it were not used
in a criminal and/or infringing (aka abusive) manner.  The ICANN Board
(wrt the UDRP) and ICANN Staff and GNSO Council (wrt fast flux exploits) have
found that abusive registrations are within scope of GNSO policy development,
and there is further support for that in the mission statement.  <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I don’t understand the distinction
that Staff seems to be trying to make now, nor how it impacts the
Council’s decision-making on next steps to address this Issues Report.
 If any Councilors or Staff have ideas, I’d love to hear them. 
My thought is we should launch a PDP to determine whether gTLD registries and
registrars should have a consistent set of minimum standards and processes to
deal with abusive registrations.  Assuming so, what are those standards
and processes?  The Afilias funnel request provides one possible way,
several other ideas have been floated in the Fast Flux WG, in ICM’s .xxx
proposal re “Rapid Takedown”, and elsewhere.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Policy development is imperative to
address the current volume of abusive registrations, and especially with
newTLDs coming online next year, and with the expected growth in use of
IDNs.  Private and public law enforcement entities are already
overstressed to deal with the volume and intensity of abusive registration problems,
and the growth of the domain space will only increase that stress. 
Businesses, individuals and non-profit entities cannot be expected to continue
footing the bill for so-called ‘defensive registrations’ in effort
to protect their brands, and instead ICANN must develop post-registration
mechanisms to effectively deal with abusive registrations.  A solid set of
minimum standards and processes, required of all accredited registrars and gTLD
registries, would be a good start.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Mike<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> owner-council@gnso.icann.org
[mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On
Behalf Of </span></b>Liz Gasster<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, November 19, 2008
2:40 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> icann@rodenbaugh.com; 'GNSO
Council'<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: [council] Issues
Report re Abuse Policies -- request for clarification from Counsel</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:Calibri'>Mike and all,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:Calibri'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:Calibri'>Thank you for your inquiry.  The sentences you asked
about in the registration abuse issues report should be read in the context of
the preceding sentences in that paragraph, which read as follows:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:Calibri'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:Calibri'>"Note, section 4.2.3 of the Registrar Accreditation
Agreement between ICANN and accredited registrars provides for the
establishment of new and revised consensus policies concerning the registration
of domain names, including abuse in the registration of names, but policies
involving the use of a domain name (unrelated to its registration) are outside
the scope of policies that ICANN could enforce on registries and/or
registrars."<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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font-family:Calibri'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:Calibri'>For your reference, RAA section 4.2.3 provides that ICANN
may obligate registrars to implement new policies concerning the
"resolution of disputes concerning the registration of Registered Names
(as opposed to the use of such domain names), including where the policies take
into account use of the domain names ..."<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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font-family:Calibri'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:Calibri'><<a
href="http://www.icann.org/en/registrars/ra-agreement-17may01.htm#4.2.3">http://www.icann.org/en/registrars/ra-agreement-17may01.htm#4.2.3</a>><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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font-family:Calibri'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:Calibri'>In the case of fast flux we said that some aspects of fast
flux hosting are within scope because fast flux involves the rapid update of
nameserver registration records in gTLDs.  Rapid update of nameserver
registration records specifically involves the registration of names, which can
be distinguished from a case where a name, once registered, resolves to a site
that contains infringing or otherwise abusive content.  While ICANN could
change policy with regard to updates of nameserver registration records, ICANN
might not be able to impose any new obligations on registrars concerning pure
content/use disputes.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:Calibri'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:Calibri'>Please let me know if you have any further questions.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:Calibri'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:Calibri'>Thanks, Liz<font color="#1f497d"><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></font></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
owner-council@gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Mike Rodenbaugh<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, November 05, 2008
6:51 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> icann@rodenbaugh.com; 'GNSO
Council'<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: [council] Issues Report
re Abuse Policies -- request for clarification from Counsel<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Sorry, tired today, re-sending to clarify
that this is a request for clarification from ICANN Counsel, not the GNSO
Council.  Thanks.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
owner-council@gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Mike Rodenbaugh<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, November 05, 2008
6:36 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> 'GNSO Council'<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> [council] Issues Report
re Abuse Policies -- request for clarification from Council</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Hi,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>I refer to Sec. 7.1 of the Report, which ends with these
sentences:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
11.0pt'>The use of domain names may be taken into account when establishing or
changing registration policies. Thus, potential changes to existing contractual
provisions related to abuse in the registration of names would be within scope
of GNSO policy making. Consideration of new policies related to the use of a
domain name unrelated to its registration would not be within scope.</span></font><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Could ICANN Counsel please clarify this language? 
Specifically, what could be “use of a domain name unrelated to its
registration”?  If this means “any use of a domain name after
it is registered”, then how is that opinion consistent with prior
enactment of the UDRP, and Counsel’s opinion in the Issues Report re Fast
Flux Hosting (Mar. 31, 2008, p. 14):<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Times><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Times'>General Counsel’s opinion is that some aspects
relating to the subject of fast flux hosting are within scope of the <b><font
color=black><span style='color:black;background:#A0FFFF;font-weight:bold'>ICANN</span></font></b>
policy process and within the scope of the GNSO. As <b><font color=black><span
style='color:black;background:#FFFF66;font-weight:bold'>fast flux</span></font></b>
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Times><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Times'>hosting activities concern gTLDs, the issue is within the
scope of the GNSO to address.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>This clarification and/or further analysis
might be very helpful for the Council in considering the latest Issues Report
in the coming weeks, before our next meeting.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Mike R.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
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