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<B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> Tim Ruiz <tim@godaddy.com><BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> "Gomes,Chuck" <cgomes@verisign.com><BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Cc:</SPAN></B> council@gnso.icann.org<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Tuesday, March 24, 2009 10:35:23 AM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> RE: [council] Old DNSO funds and this year's travel.<BR></FONT><BR><BR>I personally agree with that. It should be left up to the constituency<BR>to decide how to use funds they are allocated.<BR><BR>Tim <BR><BR> -------- Original Message --------<BR>Subject: RE: [council] Old DNSO funds and this year's travel.<BR>From: "Gomes, Chuck" <<A href="mailto:cgomes@verisign.com" ymailto="mailto:cgomes@verisign.com">cgomes@verisign.com</A>><BR>Date: Tue, March 24, 2009 9:09 am<BR>To: "Tim Ruiz" <<A href="mailto:tim@godaddy.com"
ymailto="mailto:tim@godaddy.com">tim@godaddy.com</A>>, <<A href="mailto:council@gnso.icann.org" ymailto="mailto:council@gnso.icann.org">council@gnso.icann.org</A>><BR><BR>The RyC would just request that funding not be restricted to Councilors<BR>only.<BR><BR>Chuck <BR><BR>> -----Original Message-----<BR>> From: <A href="mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org" ymailto="mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org">owner-council@gnso.icann.org</A> <BR>> [mailto:<A href="mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org" ymailto="mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org">owner-council@gnso.icann.org</A>] On Behalf Of Tim Ruiz<BR>> Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 9:57 AM<BR>> To: <A href="mailto:council@gnso.icann.org" ymailto="mailto:council@gnso.icann.org">council@gnso.icann.org</A><BR>> Subject: RE: [council] Old DNSO funds and this year's travel.<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> That was more or less the position of the RrC as well. But <BR>> since the majority
of the Council decided otherwise, the <BR>> Travel Funding Drafting Team is just trying to figure out how <BR>> to distribute the available funds as fairly as possible.<BR>> <BR>> Tim <BR>> <BR>> -------- Original Message --------<BR>> Subject: RE: [council] Old DNSO funds and this year's travel.<BR>> From: "Gomes, Chuck" <<A href="mailto:cgomes@verisign.com" ymailto="mailto:cgomes@verisign.com">cgomes@verisign.com</A>><BR>> Date: Tue, March 24, 2009 8:30 am<BR>> To: Stéphane_Van_Gelder <<A href="mailto:stephane.vangelder@indom.com" ymailto="mailto:stephane.vangelder@indom.com">stephane.vangelder@indom.com</A>>, <BR>> <<A href="mailto:avri@acm.org" ymailto="mailto:avri@acm.org">avri@acm.org</A>>, "GNSO Council" <<A href="mailto:council@gnso.icann.org" ymailto="mailto:council@gnso.icann.org">council@gnso.icann.org</A>><BR>> <BR>> <BR>> The RyC has always opposed travel funding be
restricted to Councilors<BR>> and still holds that position.<BR>> <BR>> From a philosophical point of view, it is quite interesting <BR>> how easy it<BR>> is for people to spend money contributed by others. That is one of the<BR>> reasons the RyC supported the approach that each Constituency fund<BR>> travel for itself rather than using ICANN funds to subsidize it except<BR>> in cases of demonstrated need. There is a clear motivation to be good<BR>> stewards of our own funds that sometimes is not so strong <BR>> when using the<BR>> funds that come from other sources.<BR>> <BR>> I am not going to belabor this.<BR>> <BR>> Chuck <BR>> <BR>> > -----Original Message-----<BR>> > From: Stéphane Van Gelder [mailto:<A href="mailto:stephane.vangelder@indom.com" ymailto="mailto:stephane.vangelder@indom.com">stephane.vangelder@indom.com</A>] <BR>> > Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 6:33 AM<BR>> >
To: Gomes, Chuck; <A href="mailto:avri@acm.org" ymailto="mailto:avri@acm.org">avri@acm.org</A>; GNSO Council<BR>> > Subject: Re: [council] Old DNSO funds and this year's travel.<BR>> > <BR>> > Hi Chuck,<BR>> > <BR>> > I have to side with Avri on this one ;-) Sounds like doing <BR>> > such historical digging is asking for a lot of work with no <BR>> > clear purpose.<BR>> > The only question we should be asking ourselves, IMO, is the <BR>> > one Avri asked:<BR>> > are we OK for these funds to be used to ensure that all <BR>> > councillors get funded in 09 or not.<BR>> > As I was unaware that these funds even existed, I would like <BR>> > to know to what other use they might be put before giving my <BR>> > answer. If it turns out the funds were just "sitting there" <BR>> > and would not be used for anything else anyway, then by all <BR>> > means let's use them
to help fund people.<BR>> > <BR>> > Thanks,<BR>> > <BR>> > Stéphane<BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > Le 24/03/09 01:30, « Gomes, Chuck » <<A href="mailto:cgomes@verisign.com" ymailto="mailto:cgomes@verisign.com">cgomes@verisign.com</A>> a écrit :<BR>> > <BR>> > > <BR>> > > I was not suggesting anything about how the funds would <BR>> be used but <BR>> > > only that the additional information could be helpful for <BR>> > > constituencies to have in making any decisions regarding <BR>> > the use of the funds.<BR>> > > <BR>> > > Chuck<BR>> > > <BR>> > >> -----Original Message-----<BR>> > >> From: <A href="mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org" ymailto="mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org">owner-council@gnso.icann.org</A><BR>> > >> [mailto:<A href="mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org"
ymailto="mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org">owner-council@gnso.icann.org</A>] On Behalf Of Avri Doria<BR>> > >> Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 7:59 PM<BR>> > >> To: GNSO Council<BR>> > >> Subject: RE: [council] Old DNSO funds and this year's travel.<BR>> > >> <BR>> > >> <BR>> > >> Hi,<BR>> > >> <BR>> > >> I am not sure what productive purpose such a exercise <BR>> > would achieve.<BR>> > >> Are you suggesting that the money should be distributed <BR>> > according to <BR>> > >> donation proportionality? I think that might be <BR>> > counter-productive <BR>> > >> especially when what I was hoping to achieve was <BR>> > sufficient funds for <BR>> > >> all constituencies to send their participants to Sydney.<BR>> > >> <BR>> > >> I did not get the impression that
proportional <BR>> > distribution was the <BR>> > >> motivation behind Phillip's comment. Rather I understood <BR>> > him to be <BR>> > >> pointing to the fact that the BC, coincidentally along <BR>> > with the NCUC, <BR>> > >> and ISPC could, at the moment only provide support for 1 <BR>> > participant <BR>> > >> in Sydney.<BR>> > >> <BR>> > >> a.<BR>> > >> <BR>> > >> <BR>> > >> On Mon, 2009-03-23 at 14:39 -0400, Gomes, Chuck wrote:<BR>> > >>> I wouldn't think it would be that difficult to go back <BR>> > and find out <BR>> > >>> what the various constituencies contributed to the fund.<BR>> > >> As I recall<BR>> > >>> various constituencies did not contribute the same amounts<BR>> > >> and I think<BR>> > >>> that they may like to know
that information before making a<BR>> > >> decision<BR>> > >>> on how the funds are used. Philip's comment caused me to<BR>> > >> think in that direction:<BR>> > >>> "As much of this money came from the BC in the first <BR>> > place, I find <BR>> > >>> this a positive suggestion."<BR>> > >>> <BR>> > >>> Chuck<BR>> > >>> <BR>> > >>>> -----Original Message-----<BR>> > >>>> From: <A href="mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org" ymailto="mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org">owner-council@gnso.icann.org</A><BR>> > >>>> [mailto:<A href="mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org" ymailto="mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org">owner-council@gnso.icann.org</A>] On Behalf Of Avri Doria<BR>> > >>>> Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 2:05 PM<BR>> > >>>> To: GNSO
Council<BR>> > >>>> Subject: RE: [council] Old DNSO funds and this year's travel.<BR>> > >>>> <BR>> > >>>> <BR>> > >>>> <BR>> > >>>> Hi,<BR>> > >>>> <BR>> > >>>> Are you suggesting we do such historical digging? I am<BR>> > >> not sure to<BR>> > >>>> what purpose. Are you suggesting we subdivide it according to <BR>> > >>>> contribution?<BR>> > >>>> I would find that difficult and possibly quite<BR>> > >> contentious at this<BR>> > >>>> point.<BR>> > >>>> <BR>> > >>>> a.<BR>> > >>>> <BR>> > >>>> <BR>> > >>>> On Mon, 2009-03-23 at 09:50 -0400, Gomes, Chuck wrote:<BR>> > >>>>> Would it be possible to prepare a brief report that
shows<BR>> > >>>> the source<BR>> > >>>>> of the funds by constituency as well as the total funds<BR>> > >> available?<BR>> > >>>>> <BR>> > >>>>> Chuck<BR>> > >>>>> <BR>> > >>>>>> -----Original Message-----<BR>> > >>>>>> From: <A href="mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org" ymailto="mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org">owner-council@gnso.icann.org</A> <BR>> > >>>>>> [mailto:<A href="mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org" ymailto="mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org">owner-council@gnso.icann.org</A>] On Behalf Of Avri Doria<BR>> > >>>>>> Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 7:33 AM<BR>> > >>>>>> To: GNSO Council<BR>> > >>>>>> Subject: [council] Old DNSO funds and this year's travel.<BR>> >
>>>>>> <BR>> > >>>>>> <BR>> > >>>>>> Hi,<BR>> > >>>>>> <BR>> > >>>>>> I was wondering whether there would be general <BR>> support in the <BR>> > >>>>>> council for using the monies in this account to<BR>> > >> supplement the<BR>> > >>>>>> travel budget to Sydney and to Seoul in order to allow<BR>> > >>>> all current<BR>> > >>>>>> constituencies who wish to send 3 participants<BR>> > >> (Councilors, WG<BR>> > >>>>>> participants, SC ...) .<BR>> > >>>>>> <BR>> > >>>>>> While we are asking for better funding in future<BR>> > >> years, we can<BR>> > >>>>>> be fairly certain that we will not get a raise in support<BR>>
> >>>> for 2009. It<BR>> > >>>>>> may make sense to use these funds for that purpose -<BR>> > >> i have been<BR>> > >>>>>> asked why we are holding on to the money in a time when<BR>> > >>>> we need more<BR>> > >>>>>> support.<BR>> > >>>>>> <BR>> > >>>>>> If there is general support, I would like to ask the<BR>> > >>>> Travel DT to<BR>> > >>>>>> figure out how to make this allocation and then to bring<BR>> > >>>> a motion to<BR>> > >>>>>> the council.<BR>> > >>>>>> <BR>> > >>>>>> thanks<BR>> > >>>>>> <BR>> > >>>>>> a.<BR>> > >>>>>> <BR>> > >>>>>> <BR>> >
>>>>> <BR>> > >>>> <BR>> > >>>> <BR>> > >>> <BR>> > >> <BR>> > >> <BR>> > > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> ><BR>> <BR>> <BR>><BR><BR><BR></DIV></DIV></div><br>
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