<html><head><style> .hmmessage P { margin:0px; padding:0px } body.hmmessage { font-size: 10pt; font-family:Verdana }</style></head><body class='hmmessage'>To Karl and Carlos,<br/><br/>I don't believe that there is anything strange or naïve in the expectation that participants in an organization which represents a global community would conduct themselves at a level of discourse and behaviour that includes respectful communication. This is an international forum for debate and discussion, and while no one has the reasonable expectation of Platonic debate, neither do participants want to be involved in name calling and behaviours which more closely resemble a school yard at recess than an international cooperative effort. <br/><br/>There is no proposal that any party not vigorously pursue the advocacy of their own position, only that they do so in a manner that is respectful of others.<br/><br/><br/><p>Dr. Frank Fowlie, DCR<br/>Ombudsman <br/> <br/>The Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) <br/>4676 Admiralty Way, Suite 330 <br/>Marina del Rey <br/>California, USA, 90292 <br/> <br/>tel: +310-823-9358 <br/>fax: +310-823-8649 <br/> <br/>www.icannombudsman.org<br/><br/>The Values of this Office are: <br/>-Respect for Diversity; <br/>-Excellence in Ombudsmanship; <br/>-Professionalism; <br/>-Confidentiality; <br/>-Impartiality; <br/>-and Independence. <br/></p><p><hr size=2 width=100% align=center tabindex=-1><b>From</b>: carlos aguirre <carlosaguirre62@hotmail.com><br><b>Date</b>: Tue, 12 May 2009 06:56:42 -0700<br><b>To</b>: At-Large Worldwide<at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org><br><b>Subject</b>: RE: [At-Large] Respectful Online Communication and Behavior<br></font></p> Dear Karl:<BR> <BR> Yes, this document sounds to me some (at least) "naive". Specialy at this moment of ICANN history.<BR> <BR> When I decided reply this, for an instant I thought to say respectfully another strong word, but then I thought in the diversity and cultures and point of view different. <BR><BR>In my oppinion we need to see the reality and say in a clear manner how is it. whatever being the words uses.<BR> <BR> greetings<BR><BR><BR><DIV><H3><FONT face="Verdana, Geneva, Arial, Sans-serif">Carlos Dionisio Aguirre</FONT></H3>abogado - Sarmiento 71 - 4to. 18 Cordoba - Argentina -<BR>*54-351-424-2123 / 423-5423<BR><A href="http://www.sitioderecho.com.ar/">www.derechoytecnologia.com.ar</A><BR><A href="http://www.densi.com.ar/">http://ar.ageiadensi.org</A> <BR></DIV><BR><BR><BR> <BR>> Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 04:18:38 -0700<BR>> From: karl@cavebear.com<BR>> To: at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org<BR>> CC: avri@acm.org; janis.karklins@icann.org; council@gnso.icann.org; ccnso-council@icann.org; louie@equinix.com; ceo@auda.org.au; cgomes@verisign.com; jun@wide.ad.jp; steve@shinkuro.com; frank.fowlie@icann.org; liaison6c@gnso.icann.org; policy@icann.org<BR>> Subject: Re: [At-Large] Respectful Online Communication and Behavior<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> > ICANN's Ombudsman, Frank Fowlie, recently posted a web page on Respectful<BR>> > Online Communication and Behavior<BR>> <BR>> I must say that I found that to be a rather strange document.<BR>> <BR>> It posits ICANN as some fantasy world in which disinterested <BR>> philosophers discuss and debate.<BR>> <BR>> That is in hard conflict with the reality of ICANN as a political <BR>> cauldron in which deeply antagonistic interests contest with one another <BR>> for power and profit.<BR>> <BR>> Many actors within ICANN could be in violation of the ethical <BR>> requirements of their professions were they to trim the sails of their <BR>> advocacy on behalf of their clients to conform with that document.<BR>> <BR>> --karl--<BR>> <BR>>_______________________________________________<BR>> At-Large mailing list<BR>> At-Large@atlarge-lists.icann.org<BR>> http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/at-large_atlarge-lists.icann.org<BR>> <BR>> At-Large Official Site: http://atlarge.icann.org<BR><br /><hr />¡Es hora que descubras quién sos! <a href='http://www.descubrewindowslive.com/' target='_new'>Alguien puede conocerte mejor que vos mismo.</a></body></html>