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Stephane,</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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class=361000022-12052009>Sure.</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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size=2><SPAN class=361000022-12052009>1. If I am expected to support the
letter as a member of Council, I have an obligation to consult substantively
with, at a minimum, the leadership of the IPC. I have not had the
opportunity to do that and will not before the 48-hour deadline (or, for that
matter, until after May 20).
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color=#0000ff><FONT size=2><SPAN class=361000022-12052009>2. It is
difficult to maintain the position that governments should be treated as any
other objector. As a practical matter, issues of sovereignty and
more, specifically, national law may effectively preclude governments from
participating in the objection
process.</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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color=#0000ff><FONT size=2><SPAN class=361000022-12052009>3. The IRT has
proposed a Globally Protected Marks List. It's not a reserved names list
and would not be free to trdemark owners. Nonetheless, I can't support the
current textual reference to the GAC's
proposal.</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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color=#0000ff><FONT size=2><SPAN class=361000022-12052009>4. The IRT is
discussing and/or has proposed other mechanisms for which my support of this
letter would be inconsistent with my clear support of the IRT
proposals.</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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color=#0000ff><FONT size=2><SPAN class=361000022-12052009>Given point 1 above,
it is unlikely that any further changes to the letter would result in my
supporting it. I have no objection to the letter noting that I have
abstained. That would allow the letter to be submitted and still note that
I have not supported it. It seems like a good compromise to
me.</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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class=361000022-12052009>K</SPAN> </FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> Stéphane Van Gelder
[mailto:stephane.vangelder@indom.com] <BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, May 12, 2009
5:59 PM<BR><B>To:</B> Rosette, Kristina; Council GNSO<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re:
[council] GNSO Council letter to the GAC<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV></DIV><FONT face="Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Hi Kristina,<BR><BR>Considering the number of positive
reactions received so far, it would be nice to know what in the letter is
causing you to object.<BR><BR>Depending on the nature of the objections, it
may be that I can then propose some edits which despite the time constraints
you are under with the IRT, you may be able to agree on.<BR><BR>Let me know if
that helps.<BR><BR>Thanks,<BR><BR>Stéphane<BR><BR><BR>Le 12/05/09 23:40,
« Rosette, Kristina » <<A
href="krosette@cov.com">krosette@cov.com</A>> a
écrit :<BR><BR></SPAN></FONT>
<BLOCKQUOTE><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><FONT color=#0000ff><FONT
face=Arial>I can't support this letter. Because I am in the middle of
the IRT's 3-day F2F, I am not in a position to propose revised language.
Given these contraints, it would be OK with me if the Council
nonetheless wanted to send the letter and note in it that I have
abstained.<BR></FONT></FONT><FONT face="Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><BR>
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</FONT><FONT face="Tahoma, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><B>From:</B> <A
href="owner-council@gnso.icann.org">owner-council@gnso.icann.org</A> [<A
href="mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org">mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org</A>]
<B>On Behalf Of </B>Stéphane Van Gelder<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, May 12,
2009 10:06 AM<BR><B>To:</B> Council GNSO<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [council]
GNSO Council letter to the GAC<BR></FONT><FONT
face="Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><BR></FONT></SPAN>
<BLOCKQUOTE><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><FONT
face="Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><BR>Following on, for clarity here is the
draft modified to take Edmon’s comments into
account.<BR><BR>Stéphane<BR><BR><BR>Le 12/05/09 15:51, « Stéphane
Van Gelder » <<A
href="stephane.vangelder@indom.com">stephane.vangelder@indom.com</A>> a
écrit :<BR><BR> <BR></FONT></SPAN>
<BLOCKQUOTE><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><FONT
face="Verdana, Helvetica, Arial">Edmon,<BR><BR>Ì think that is a very
useful suggestion, thank you. As the clock is running, I am
copying this to the Council list.<BR><BR>I am fine with you edit
and will amend the draft accordingly unless anyone
objects.<BR><BR>Thanks,<BR><BR>Stéphane<BR><BR><BR>Le 12/05/09
12:25, « Edmon Chung » <<A
href="edmon@registry.asia">edmon@registry.asia</A>> a écrit
:<BR><BR> <BR></FONT></SPAN>
<BLOCKQUOTE><FONT size=4><FONT face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt">sorry for the late response... I do see that
the 48 hr clock started clicking so did not want to send this to
the council list unless you feel comfortable about
it...<BR> <BR>you had: "</SPAN></FONT><FONT
face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">
</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt">No
such restrictions are imposed on existing gTLD registries and we
feel it would be<BR>inappropriate to attempt to use the new gTLD
program to introduce new contractual<BR>obligations previously
not requested or deemed necessary."<BR> <BR>I don't think
that is entirely true... in our contract and in all the ones in
the s round, there is a clause:<BR>"</SPAN></FONT><FONT
face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">
</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt">All
geographic and geopolitical names contained in the ISO 3166-1
list from time to time shall initially be reserved at both the
second level and at all other levels within the TLD at which the
Registry Operator provides for registrations. All names shall be
reserved both in English and in all related official languages
as may be directed by ICANN or the GAC."<BR> <BR>What this
effectively means is that registries have had to use the other
ISO lists previously already to produce the "reserved both
in English and in all related official languages"
part.<BR> <BR>Then of course there is the other part in the
agreement that says:<BR>"In addition, Registry Operator shall reserve
names of territories, distinct geographic locations, and other
geographic and geopolitical names as ICANN may direct from time
to time."<BR> <BR>Would like to suggest edits as
follows:<BR> <BR>Restrictions are already imposed on
existing gTLD registries in this regard, especially with regards
to those adopted for the sTLD round of gTLDs. We feel that
current contractual obligations are already appropriate and new
contractual obligations maybe
unnecessary.<BR> <BR> <BR>Edmon<BR> <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR></SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT
face="Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><BR></SPAN></FONT><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><FONT
face="Tahoma, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><B>From:</B> <A
href="owner-council@gnso.icann.org">owner-council@gnso.icann.org</A>
[<A
href="mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org">mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org</A>]
<B>On Behalf Of </B>Stéphane Van Gelder<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday,
May 12, 2009 4:12 PM<BR><B>To:</B> Council
GNSO<BR><B>Subject:</B> [council] GNSO Council letter to the
GAC<BR></FONT></SPAN><FONT size=4><FONT face="Times New Roman"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><BR></SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT
face="Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Dear
all,<BR><BR>In a letter dated April 24 2009, GAC Chair Janis
Karklins wrote to ICANN CEO Paul Twomey on the subject of
geographical names and the new gTLD process.<BR><BR>At our
Council meeting last week, it was decided that we should respond
to this letter and I volunteered to write a draft. We agreed
that our response should be sent to the GAC asap, preferably by
the end of this week, and Avri informed the GAC that they should
expect a response from the GNSO Council by this Friday.<BR><BR>In
order to fine-tune our draft response, a team was set up and I
submitted my draft to the team yesterday.<BR><BR>The team
responded very quickly in order to meet the Council’s Friday
deadline and considered my draft “good to go”, with one addition
by David Maher and a comment by Avri, both of which have been
included in the draft letter we are submitting to the full
Council today (see attached).<BR><BR>Could you please review and
let me know of any further changes you would like to make, or of
your approval, so that Avri may then send the finished letter to
the GAC on Friday.<BR><BR>My thanks to the members of the
drafting team: David Maher - Avri Doria - Nacho Amadoz - Edmon
Chung - Brian Cute - Ken Stubbs - Olga Cavalli - Tony
Harris - Terry Davis – William
Drake.<BR><BR>Best,<BR><BR>Stéphane Van
Gelder</SPAN></FONT><FONT size=4><FONT face="Times New Roman"><SPAN
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