Hi,<br>I think a call is a good idea, I am interested in participating.<br>Regards<br>Olga<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2009/9/23 Gomes, Chuck <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:cgomes@verisign.com">cgomes@verisign.com</a>></span><br>
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I am open to a quick call. I also have no problem involving the full Council but that will make it harder to schedule.<br>
So I wonder whether a subgroup of interested parties might be a better way to go. I think that the subgroup would need to include at least one representative from each SG and I do not think that it necessarily needs to be just Councilors.<br>
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> -----Original Message-----<br>
> From: Adrian Kinderis [mailto:<a href="mailto:adrian@ausregistry.com.au">adrian@ausregistry.com.au</a>]<br>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 10:10 PM<br>
> To: Gomes, Chuck; Rosette, Kristina; <a href="mailto:stephvg2@gmail.com">stephvg2@gmail.com</a><br>
> Cc: <a href="mailto:stephane.vangelder@indom.com">stephane.vangelder@indom.com</a>; <a href="mailto:avri@psg.com">avri@psg.com</a>; <a href="mailto:council@gnso.icann.org">council@gnso.icann.org</a><br>
> Subject: RE: [council] RE: Amended Motion to Approve Plan for<br>
> Bicameral Council Seat Transition<br>
><br>
> Is it possible to schedule a quick call to discuss this?<br>
> Perhaps this can be done outside of the GNSO Council meeting.<br>
><br>
> We will probably make more progress in a shorter time that way.<br>
><br>
> Thanks.<br>
><br>
> Adrian Kinderis<br>
><br>
> -----Original Message-----<br>
> From: Gomes, Chuck [mailto:<a href="mailto:cgomes@verisign.com">cgomes@verisign.com</a>]<br>
> Sent: Tuesday, 22 September 2009 11:55 PM<br>
> To: Rosette, Kristina; <a href="mailto:stephvg2@gmail.com">stephvg2@gmail.com</a>; Adrian Kinderis<br>
> Cc: <a href="mailto:stephane.vangelder@indom.com">stephane.vangelder@indom.com</a>; <a href="mailto:avri@psg.com">avri@psg.com</a>; <a href="mailto:council@gnso.icann.org">council@gnso.icann.org</a><br>
> Subject: RE: [council] RE: Amended Motion to Approve Plan for<br>
> Bicameral Council Seat Transition<br>
><br>
> Let's talk about how to focus on the chair first and still<br>
> deal with the complexities associated with the one-time<br>
> transition. I don't think there is anything to prevent us<br>
> from working together within Houses and in the Council as a<br>
> whole to come up with recommendations for a chair in advance<br>
> that would simply need to be confirmed in an official<br>
> election on 28 October. If we could get that done before<br>
> nominations are made in the Houses for vice chairs, that<br>
> might work a lot better.<br>
><br>
> This could possibly happen within the currently proposed plan<br>
> but we should think about whether it would be better to make<br>
> some amendments to the plan.<br>
><br>
> I am open and willing to work on this.<br>
><br>
> Chuck<br>
><br>
> > -----Original Message-----<br>
> > From: Rosette, Kristina [mailto:<a href="mailto:krosette@cov.com">krosette@cov.com</a>]<br>
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 9:28 AM<br>
> > To: <a href="mailto:stephvg2@gmail.com">stephvg2@gmail.com</a>; <a href="mailto:adrian@ausregistry.com.au">adrian@ausregistry.com.au</a><br>
> > Cc: Gomes, Chuck; <a href="mailto:stephane.vangelder@indom.com">stephane.vangelder@indom.com</a>; <a href="mailto:avri@psg.com">avri@psg.com</a>;<br>
> > <a href="mailto:council@gnso.icann.org">council@gnso.icann.org</a><br>
> > Subject: Re: [council] RE: Amended Motion to Approve Plan for<br>
> > Bicameral Council Seat Transition<br>
> ><br>
> > Agree with Adrian and Stephane.<br>
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> > ----- Original Message -----<br>
> > From: <a href="mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org">owner-council@gnso.icann.org</a> <<a href="mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org">owner-council@gnso.icann.org</a>><br>
> > To: Adrian Kinderis <<a href="mailto:adrian@ausregistry.com.au">adrian@ausregistry.com.au</a>><br>
> > Cc: Gomes, Chuck <<a href="mailto:cgomes@verisign.com">cgomes@verisign.com</a>>; Stéphane Van Gelder<br>
> > <<a href="mailto:stephane.vangelder@indom.com">stephane.vangelder@indom.com</a>>; Avri Doria <<a href="mailto:avri@psg.com">avri@psg.com</a>>; Council<br>
> > GNSO <<a href="mailto:council@gnso.icann.org">council@gnso.icann.org</a>><br>
> > Sent: Tue Sep 22 05:55:57 2009<br>
> > Subject: Re: [council] RE: Amended Motion to Approve Plan for<br>
> > Bicameral Council Seat Transition<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > Chuck,<br>
> ><br>
> > I agree with Adrian that we seem to be going about this backwards.<br>
> > This plan gives the VC elections the priority. Shouldn't we<br>
> instead be<br>
> > focussing first on the chair? Doing so means that we have a much<br>
> > better chance, as a Council, of finding enough common ground on a<br>
> > Chair to actually elect one. If we instead take care of the chair<br>
> > elections after the VCs, then there is less incentive to<br>
> complete the<br>
> > chair elections as the VCs can simply act as stand-ins.<br>
> Full time if<br>
> > required. Electing VCs is bound to be simpler anyway, as<br>
> they are not<br>
> > Council-wide but house specific. And we can assume some degree of<br>
> > entente cordiale within each house, can we not? I always like to<br>
> > tackle the difficult stuff first and that's another reason<br>
> why I would<br>
> > want us to consider doing the chair election first.<br>
> ><br>
> > Thanks,<br>
> ><br>
> > Stephane<br>
> ><br>
> > Envoyé de mon iPhone<br>
> ><br>
> > Le 22 sept. 2009 à 09:21, Adrian Kinderis<br>
> <<a href="mailto:adrian@ausregistry.com.au">adrian@ausregistry.com.au</a>><br>
> > a écrit :<br>
> ><br>
> > > Is it too simplistic to just ask Avri to fill that<br>
> leadership void,<br>
> > > given the exceptional circumstances, until a Chair is<br>
> > elected AND THEN<br>
> > > vice chairs are elected.<br>
> > ><br>
> > > Personally, I may change my vote for Vice Chair depending<br>
> on who is<br>
> > > elected into the Chair position. This is my concern which I<br>
> > do not see<br>
> > > is alleviated in your proposed process (forgive me if it<br>
> > is). I could<br>
> > > even be that I may rescind my nomination for a position etc...<br>
> > ><br>
> > > I completely understand what your plan hopes to do. I just<br>
> > think it is<br>
> > > backwards.<br>
> > ><br>
> > > Thanks.<br>
> > ><br>
> > ><br>
> > > Adrian Kinderis<br>
> > ><br>
> > ><br>
> > > -----Original Message-----<br>
> > > From: <a href="mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org">owner-council@gnso.icann.org</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:owner-">owner-</a><br>
> > > <a href="mailto:council@gnso.icann.org">council@gnso.icann.org</a>] On Behalf Of Gomes, Chuck<br>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, 22 September 2009 7:57 AM<br>
> > > To: Stéphane Van Gelder; Avri Doria; Council GNSO<br>
> > > Subject: RE: [council] RE: Amended Motion to Approve Plan for<br>
> > > Bicameral Council Seat Transition<br>
> > ><br>
> > > Stéphane/Adrian,<br>
> > ><br>
> > > I agree with your concerns and in fact raised them in<br>
> conversations<br>
> > > that Avri and Staff and I had several weeks ago, but we<br>
> are dealing<br>
> > > with some very unique circumstances in this one time<br>
> transition: 1)<br>
> > > The new Council has to elect the chair and it will not be<br>
> > seated until<br>
> > > 28 October; 2) there is the possibility that the chair<br>
> > election may be<br>
> > > delayed 24 hours after 28 October if there are any absentee<br>
> > votes or<br>
> > > several weeks or months if no candidate receives enough<br>
> > votes; 3) the<br>
> > > approved Bylaws provide for the vice chairs to serve as Council<br>
> > > co-chairs until a Chair is elected. Therefore, if we try<br>
> > to elect the<br>
> > > chair before the vice chairs and fail, we have a<br>
> leadership vacuum.<br>
> > ><br>
> > > Item 6 of the plan we are voting on this coming Thursday<br>
> > calls for the<br>
> > > following with regard to chair elections:<br>
> > > a. The GNSO Secretariat will call for nominations from existing<br>
> > > Councilors for GNSO Council Chair on 7 October 2009.<br>
> > > b. The nomination period will end on 21 October 2009.<br>
> > > c. Nominees shall submit a candidacy statement in writing to the<br>
> > > Council not later than 23 October 2009.<br>
> > ><br>
> > > Item 3 of the plan calls for the following with regard to<br>
> vice chair<br>
> > > elections:<br>
> > > a. Nominations must be completed not later than 23 October 2009.<br>
> > > b. Elections must be completed not later than Tuesday, 27 October<br>
> > > 2009.<br>
> > > c. Election requires a simple majority vote.<br>
> > ><br>
> > > Some of the our concerns may be at least partially<br>
> mitigated by the<br>
> > > following: 1) Within the time constraints copied above,<br>
> each House<br>
> > > could agree on what candidate to nominate for chair prior<br>
> > to deciding<br>
> > > on what candidate to nominate for vice chair; 2) if so<br>
> desired, the<br>
> > > candidate nominated for chair could be included in the<br>
> > nominations for<br>
> > > vice chair in case that candidate is not elected as chair; 3) the<br>
> > > candidate who receives at least a simple majority of<br>
> votes for vice<br>
> > > chair would be elected as vice chair and would serve in<br>
> > that capacity<br>
> > > unless later elected as chair, in which case a new election<br>
> > for vice<br>
> > > chair would be held.<br>
> > ><br>
> > > I am sure you can think of variations that might be better.<br>
> > One thing<br>
> > > for sure, it would be smart for each House to be working on<br>
> > this now.<br>
> > ><br>
> > > Chuck<br>
> > ><br>
> > >> -----Original Message-----<br>
> > >> From: <a href="mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org">owner-council@gnso.icann.org</a><br>
> > >> [mailto:<a href="mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org">owner-council@gnso.icann.org</a>] On Behalf Of<br>
> Stéphane Van Ge<br>
> > >> lder<br>
> > >> Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 5:32 AM<br>
> > >> To: Avri Doria; Council GNSO<br>
> > >> Subject: Re: [council] RE: Amended Motion to Approve Plan for<br>
> > >> Bicameral Council Seat Transition<br>
> > >><br>
> > >> Adrian's suggestion makes a lot of sense.<br>
> > >><br>
> > >> Let me push it a little further and add one of my own...<br>
> > >> Electing both the chair and vice-chairs (in that order),<br>
> > on the same<br>
> > >> day would probably make the whole process run more smoothly. And<br>
> > >> electing the chair before the vice-chairs reduces the<br>
> > likelihood of<br>
> > >> the Council failing to complete that election.<br>
> > >><br>
> > >> Stéphane<br>
> > >><br>
> > >><br>
> > >> Le 20/09/09 14:33, « Avri Doria » <<a href="mailto:avri@psg.com">avri@psg.com</a>> a écrit :<br>
> > >><br>
> > >>><br>
> > >>> Hi Adrain,<br>
> > >>><br>
> > >>> I do not think that being elected a Vice-chair would<br>
> > >> preclude someone<br>
> > >>> from running for chair, but it would mean that if they<br>
> > succeeded, a<br>
> > >>> new vice-chair would need to be elected.<br>
> > >>><br>
> > >>> I think the reason for suggesting that the vice-chairs be<br>
> > >> elected up<br>
> > >>> front is to make sure that they are in place should the<br>
> > >> council fail<br>
> > >>> to elect a chair during the meeting.<br>
> > >>><br>
> > >>> I think, in general, when not trying to effect this<br>
> > transition, the<br>
> > >>> vice-chair elections would happen after the chair election<br>
> > >> as has been<br>
> > >>> the case up until now. I.e. this is a one time thing.<br>
> > >>><br>
> > >>> a.<br>
> > >>><br>
> > >>><br>
> > >>> On 20 Sep 2009, at 07:51, Adrian Kinderis wrote:<br>
> > >>><br>
> > >>>> Chuck et al,<br>
> > >>>><br>
> > >>>> A few quick questions and potentially some follow up on<br>
> > this (and<br>
> > >>>> sorry if I am a little behind on this).<br>
> > >>>><br>
> > >>>> Is there rationale for electing Vice-Chairs prior to the Chair?<br>
> > >>>><br>
> > >>>> Would the election of a Vice-Chair, assuming the<br>
> > election is held<br>
> > >>>> before the election for Chair, exclude a candidate from<br>
> > >> running for<br>
> > >>>> Chair?<br>
> > >>>><br>
> > >>>> Depending on your answers I may propose that the elections<br>
> > >> be held in<br>
> > >>>> reverse as this seems, on the surface at least, to be a little<br>
> > >>>> unworkable and potentially problematic. I will await<br>
> > your response<br>
> > >>>> prior to commenting further.<br>
> > >>>><br>
> > >>>> Thanks.<br>
> > >>>><br>
> > >>>> Adrian Kinderis<br>
> > >>>><br>
> > >>>><br>
> > >>>> From: <a href="mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org">owner-council@gnso.icann.org</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:owner-">owner-</a><br>
> > >>>> <a href="mailto:council@gnso.icann.org">council@gnso.icann.org</a>] On Behalf Of Gomes, Chuck<br>
> > >>>> Sent: Friday, 18 September 2009 5:01 AM<br>
> > >>>> To: Council GNSO<br>
> > >>>> Subject: [council] Amended Motion to Approve Plan for<br>
> Bicameral<br>
> > >>>> Council Seat Transition<br>
> > >>>> Importance: High<br>
> > >>>><br>
> > >>>> Attached you will find a clean and a redline version of<br>
> > a revised<br>
> > >>>> motion to approve the Plan for Bicameral Council Seat<br>
> Transition<br>
> > >>>> (i.e., an implementation plan for the new bicameral<br>
> > >> Council). Note<br>
> > >>>> that I submitted the original motion two days ago but<br>
> > >> Avri, Staff and<br>
> > >>>> I discovered some changes that were needed after<br>
> > consultation with<br>
> > >>>> the GC office and in our own discussions. The clean<br>
> > >> version is also<br>
> > >>>> posted on the wiki at<br>
> > >>>> <a href="https://st.icann.org/gnso-council/index.cgi?24_sept_motions" target="_blank">https://st.icann.org/gnso-council/index.cgi?24_sept_motions</a><br>
> > >>>> .<br>
> > >>>><br>
> > >>>> This motion is on our agenda for our meeting next week on 24<br>
> > >>>> September 2009 so please forward it to your respective<br>
> > groups for<br>
> > >>>> review and comment as soon as possible for their review<br>
> > >> and comment.<br>
> > >>>><br>
> > >>>> In the redline version you will see that quite a few<br>
> > changes were<br>
> > >>>> made, although the overall essence of the plan is very<br>
> > similar to<br>
> > >>>> what it was; quite a few needed details were added.<br>
> > >>>><br>
> > >>>> The clean version is probably the easiest to use but those<br>
> > >> of you who<br>
> > >>>> already reviewed the original motion may find it helpful<br>
> > >> to refer to<br>
> > >>>> the redline version so that you can easily see the changes<br>
> > >> that were<br>
> > >>>> made. Also, the redline version contains comments that were<br>
> > >>>> exchanged by Avri, ICANN Staff and I in the process; they<br>
> > >> hopefully<br>
> > >>>> will provide the rationale for the amendments made. If<br>
> > anyone has<br>
> > >>>> any questions, please feel free to ask.<br>
> > >>>><br>
> > >>>> As before, amendment suggestions are welcome.<br>
> > >>>><br>
> > >>>> Chuck Gomes<br>
> > >>><br>
> > >><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
><br>
<br>
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