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color:#1F497D'>Thanks for this Philip.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Interesting that his example could be used to parallel the
Travel Funding vote. Those directly receiving the benefit, in his example, should
have abstained. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Once again, se me at the bar to complain. 1 drink per legitimate
complaint (I have given you reasons for many).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'>Adrian Kinderis</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> owner-council@gnso.icann.org
[mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Philip Sheppard<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, 24 September 2009 11:37 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'Council GNSO'<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [council] Abstentions<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Please
note some wise words from Steve M.sent to the OSC list.</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>
owner-gnso-osc@icann.org [mailto:owner-gnso-osc@icann.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Metalitz,
Steven<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, September 24, 2009 12:11 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Gomes, Chuck; gnso-osc@icann.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [gnso-osc] FW: Further Council Ops Procedures Thoughts</span><span
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:blue'>I am afraid we are trying to square the circle on this abstention
issue. </span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:blue'>Abstentions may occur for a lot of reasons. But if one occurs
in order to avoid a conflict of interest problem, then we cannot treat it as a
functional "no" vote -- which we do if we insist that the
denominator in calculating a voting threshold must always be the total number
of people seated in the House or council. </span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:blue'>Let's assume that on a motion before the council, a
councillor's financial interests will be directly benefited by defeat of the
motion. The councillor should refrain from voting on (or even from
participating in the discussion of) the motion. </span><span
lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'>Let's
assume the council consists of 10 people and that a majority vote is needed for
the motion. </span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:blue'>However, if the councillor abstains for this reason, then if 5 vote
for and 4 against, the motion fails. Abstention will have achieved exactly
the result that a conflict of interest policy should avoid at all costs --
the action of the councillor has directly benefitted his financial
interest. </span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:blue'>If the councillor is able to truly abstain, so that his presence is
not counted for purposes of achieving the voting threshold, then the vote (5-4)
reflects the views of the majority of council members who were allowed (in
accordance with conflict of interest policy) to vote, and should be enough to
carry the motion. </span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:blue'> </span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:blue'>The same scenario could play out almost no matter what is the
voting threshold required or the number of eligible
voters. </span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:blue'>I emphasize that many abstentions will not be for conflict reasons
-- quite commonly, it will be because the constituency/stakeholder group could
not reach a position on the issue, or an issue arises suddenly and the
councillor has decided that she will not vote absent instructions from her
constituency/SG. There is less of a problem counting
the abstention for purposes of a voting threshold in this case -- though it
still may not be a good idea. But there would need to be an exception to
this general rule for situations in which an abstention is dictated by conflict
of interest rules. </span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:blue'>Steve</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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