<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Thanks Chuck.<div><br></div><div>I've solicited feedback from the RrSG on this issue so there's probably going to be more discussion to come.</div><div><br></div><div>However, your explanations about what the TK actually says seem to indicate that I may have misunderstood the recommendation on the F2F meetings. If that is indeed the case, and I have to admit I'm still not understanding it in that light (the wording does ask for "support for F2F meetings", it doesn't say "F2F meetings are one of the services that could be made available"), then perhaps others may misunderstand it as well.</div><div><br></div><div>So perhaps a friendly amendment to your motion, just ensuring that the meaning you give for this recommendation is actually without a doubt, might be useful?</div><div><br></div><div>One last thing on the fact that you found my email "extremely disappointing". I think it's worth remembering that we are all under a huge workload and that some things may be missed the first time around. In this case, I missed the recommendations when they were first sent to the Council list and only caught them today. That being the case, I have no qualms about bringing this up, and possibly slowing down the process (which I take it is what irks you). I would rather voice a concern, at the risk of being told that there really is no reason for concern or that I'm just not understanding the issue, than not say anything just because we all want to get things done. That is always what I ask of my staff - please never sit on the tough questions, even if it looks like the boss' mind is already made up - because that's the way we avoid making mistakes.</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks,</div><div><br></div><div>Stéphane<br>
<br><div><div>Le 3 déc. 2009 à 15:37, Gomes, Chuck a écrit :</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite">
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<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span class="789112314-03122009"><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2">Stephane,</font></span></div>
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<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span class="789112314-03122009"><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2">I find this very surprising and extremely
disappointing. The RrSG has representation on the CSG WT and there was no
concern expressed from the RrSG. The CSG WT sought comments from SGs
months ago and there was no concern from the RrSG. The RrSG has
representation on the OSC and no concern was expressed from the RrSG. The
recommendations were sent to the full Council list on 5 Nov for discussion and
comment and the topic was raised for discussion on the 23 Nov Council meeting;
still no RrSG comment. Now a motion is made after many months of comment
solicitation, and you say the RrSG may not support the motion. Am I
missing something here?</font></span></div>
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<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span class="789112314-03122009"><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2">More specifically to the point of the recommendations, you
seem to be talking about ICANN funding for F2F meetings. The Toolkit of
Services recommendations say nothing about that. The recommendations simply
say that one of the services that could be made available for SGs and
constituencies is support for arranging face-to-face meetings for SGs and
constituencies. They make no reference to doing that for WTs, WGs, or
other GNSO organizations besides constituencies and SGs; in fact, a more general
approach that left it open to other organizations was rejected. All that
is being recommended here is, if a SG or constituency decides to hold a F2F
meeting and would like Staff assistance for doing that, then they could opt to
use that service if they like.</font></span></div>
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<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span class="789112314-03122009"><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2">Chuck</font></span></div>
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<font face="Tahoma" size="2"><b>From:</b> <a href="mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org">owner-council@gnso.icann.org</a>
[mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Stéphane Van
Gelder<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, December 03, 2009 8:02 AM<br><b>To:</b> GNSO
Council<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: AW: [council] Motion To Approve Tool Kit of
Services Recommendations for GNSO Constituencies and Stakeholder
Groups<br></font><br></div>
<div></div>As written, I would think that the RrSG would find it difficult to
support TK recommendations considering that the second one is requesting:
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<div style="MARGIN: 0px; FONT: 12px 'Times New Roman'">Support for organizing
face-to-face meetings (e.g. date/time, location,</div>
<div style="MARGIN: 0px; FONT: 12px 'Times New Roman'">equipment, telephone
bridge and, in certain venues, arranging</div>
<div style="MARGIN: 0px; FONT: 12px 'Times New Roman'">accommodations)</div>
<div style="MARGIN: 0px; FONT: 12px 'Times New Roman'"><br></div>
<div style="MARGIN: 0px; FONT: 12px 'Times New Roman'"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="FONT-SIZE: medium; FONT-FAMILY: Helvetica">I
know the email I sent to the Council list a few days ago raising the issue of
a tendency towards more and more requests for F2F meetings for WTs and DTs has
not generated much discussion. I do hope this is simply because people have
other things on their plate and not that the issue is of no interest to
anyone.</span></div>
<div style="MARGIN: 0px; FONT: 12px 'Times New Roman'"><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Helvetica"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="FONT-SIZE: medium"><br></span></font></div>
<div style="MARGIN: 0px; FONT: 12px 'Times New Roman'"><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Helvetica"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="FONT-SIZE: medium">Perhaps this motion, and the contents of the TK
recommendations, will generate some discussion on the
matter...</span></font></div>
<div style="MARGIN: 0px; FONT: 12px 'Times New Roman'"><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Helvetica"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="FONT-SIZE: medium"><br></span></font></div>
<div style="MARGIN: 0px; FONT: 12px 'Times New Roman'"><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Helvetica"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="FONT-SIZE: medium">Thanks,</span></font></div>
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<div style="MARGIN: 0px; FONT: 12px 'Times New Roman'"><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Helvetica"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="FONT-SIZE: medium">Stéphane</span></font></div>
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<div>Le 3 déc. 2009 à 09:52, <<a href="mailto:KnobenW@telekom.de">KnobenW@telekom.de</a>> <<a href="mailto:KnobenW@telekom.de">KnobenW@telekom.de</a>> a écrit :</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline">
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<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span class="154584408-03122009"></span><font face="Arial"><font color="#0000ff"><font size="2">C<span class="154584408-03122009">huck,</span></font></font></font></div>
<div><font face="Arial"><font color="#0000ff"><font size="2"><span class="154584408-03122009"></span></font></font></font> </div>
<div><font face="Arial"><font color="#0000ff"><font size="2"><span class="154584408-03122009">I'd like to second this motion but have one
question regarding to the "resolved": does "sharing the recommendations with
the board.." mean that there is no further need for board approval? In this
case the council might direct staff to execute the
recommendations.</span></font></font></font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial"><font color="#0000ff"><font size="2"><span class="154584408-03122009">Best regards</span></font></font></font></div>
<div><font face="Arial"><font color="#0000ff"><font size="2"><span class="154584408-03122009">Wolf-Ulrich</span></font></font></font></div>
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[mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] <b>Im Auftrag von </b>Gomes,
Chuck<br><b>Gesendet:</b> Donnerstag, 3. Dezember 2009 06:33<br><b>An:</b>
<a href="mailto:council@gnso.icann.org">council@gnso.icann.org</a><br><b>Betreff:</b>
[council] Motion To Approve Tool Kit of Services Recommendations for GNSO
Constituencies and Stakeholder Groups<br></font><br></div>
<div></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2"><span class="490053105-03122009">I am making this
motion for action in our 17 Dec 09 Council meeting.</span></font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2"><span class="490053105-03122009"></span></font> </div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2"><span class="490053105-03122009">Glen - Please
post this per normal practice. Thanks.</span></font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2"><span class="490053105-03122009"></span></font> </div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2"><span class="490053105-03122009">Chuck</span></font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2"><span class="490053105-03122009"></span></font> </div>
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<div style="MARGIN: 0.1pt 0in; TEXT-ALIGN: center"><b style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'"><font size="3">Motion To Approve Tool
Kit of Services Recommendations for GNSO Constituencies and Stakeholder
Groups<o:p></o:p></font></span></b></div>
<div style="MARGIN: 0.1pt 0in"><b style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'"><o:p><font size="3"></font></o:p></span></b></div>
<div style="MARGIN: 0.1pt 0in"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'"><font size="3">Motion by: Chuck
Gomes<br>Seconded by: <o:p></o:p></font></span></div>
<div style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'"><o:p><font size="3"></font></o:p></span></div>
<div style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'"><font size="3">Whereas the Board
Governance Committee Report on GNSO Improvements (BGC Report) tasked ICANN
staff with developing, within six months, in consultation with the GNSO
Council, a “tool kit” of basic services that would be made available to all
constituencies.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>(See <i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal">Report of the Board Governance Committee
GNSO Review Working Group on GNSO Improvements,</i> 3 February 2008 located
at <u><span style="COLOR: blue"><a href="http://www.icann.org/en/topics/gnso-improvements/gnso-improvements-report-03feb08.pdf">http://www.icann.org/en/topics/gnso-improvements/gnso-improvements-report-03feb08.pdf</a></span></u>,
p. 46.);<o:p></o:p></font></span></div>
<div style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'"><o:p><font size="3"></font></o:p></span></div>
<div style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'"><font size="3">Whereas the ICANN Board
approved the BGC GNSO Improvement Recommendations on 26 June 2008 (</font><a href="http://www.icann.org/en/minutes/resolutions-26jun08.htm#_Toc76113182"><font size="3">http://www.icann.org/en/minutes/resolutions-26jun08.htm#_Toc76113182</font></a><font size="3">);<o:p></o:p></font></span></div>
<div style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'"><o:p><font size="3"></font></o:p></span></div>
<div style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'"><font size="3">Whereas in January 2009
the GNSO Council formed the Operations Steering Committee (OSC) to develop
recommendations to implement operational changes contained in the BGC
Report;<o:p></o:p></font></span></div>
<div style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'"><o:p><font size="3"></font></o:p></span></div>
<div style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'"><font size="3">Whereas the OSC
established three Work Teams, including the GNSO Stakeholder Group and
Constituency Operations Work Team, to take on the work of each of the three
operational areas addressed in the BGC Report recommendations;
<o:p></o:p></font></span></div>
<div style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'"><o:p><font size="3"></font></o:p></span></div>
<div style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'"><font size="3">Whereas the GNSO
Stakeholder Group and Constituency Operations Work Team developed and
approved Tool Kit Services Recommendations for GNSO Constituencies and
Stakeholder Groups on 25 October 2009 and sent them to the OSC for review;<b style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><o:p></o:p></b></font></span></div>
<div style="MARGIN: 0.1pt 0in"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'"><o:p><font size="3"></font></o:p></span></div>
<div style="MARGIN: 0.1pt 0in"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'"><font size="3">Whereas the OSC accepted
the Work Team's recommendations;<span style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</span><o:p></o:p></font></span></div>
<div style="MARGIN: 0.1pt 0in"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'"><o:p><font size="3"></font></o:p></span></div>
<div style="MARGIN: 0.1pt 0in"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'"><font size="3">Whereas on 5 Nov 09 the
document was distributed to the Council list and Councilors were asked to
forward the recommendations to their respective groups for review and
comment ASAP with the tentative goal of Council action in our December
meeting;<o:p></o:p></font></span></div>
<div style="MARGIN: 0.1pt 0in"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'"><o:p><font size="3"></font></o:p></span></div>
<div style="MARGIN: 0.1pt 0in"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'"><font size="3">RESOLVED, the Council
accepts the recommendations (</font><a href="http://gnso.icann.org/drafts/tool-kit-services-recommendations-for-gnso-05nov09-en.pdf"><font size="3">http://gnso.icann.org/drafts/tool-kit-services-recommendations-for-gnso-05nov09-en.pdf</font></a><font size="3">) and directs Staff to share the recommendations with the Board and
post the document on the GNSO web page at </font><a href="http://gnso.icann.org/"><font color="#800080" size="3">http://gnso.icann.org/</font></a><font size="3">.<o:p></o:p></font></span></div>
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