<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Thanks for that clarification Chuck.<div><br></div><div>I seem to remember that in the past, we did consider motions that were made in time even if they referenced documents or reports that came to our attention slightly after time, but I see the lack of logic of this approach and therefore the reason why you suggest that motion 3 should also be geared to Council acceptance of an exception.</div><div><br></div><div>I think you suggestion on the dates is an excellent one.</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks,</div><div><br></div><div>Stéphane<br>
<br><div><div>Le 14 déc. 2009 à 15:27, Gomes, Chuck a écrit :</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite">
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<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span class="603161814-14122009"><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2">Strephane,</font></span></div>
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<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span class="603161814-14122009"><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2">We did not receive the Issues Report for motion 3 until
Friday, 11 December, which was after the deadline for documents, a different
Council Procedures requirement. I should have made that more
clear.</font></span></div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span class="603161814-14122009"><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2"></font></span> </div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span class="603161814-14122009"><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2">This discussion brings something else to mind that would be
good to do going forward: We should make sure that the dates motions are
submitted are always shown with the motions on the wiki and anywhere else they
are posted. In checking the motions for this week's meeting, I see that we
do that in some cases and not others.</font></span></div>
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<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span class="603161814-14122009"><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2">Glen - In the future, I suggest that we make it a
practice to always show the date a motion was made after the name of the
person who made the motion.</font></span></div>
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<font face="Tahoma" size="2"><b>From:</b> Stéphane Van Gelder
[mailto:stephane.vangelder@indom.com] <br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, December 14,
2009 9:13 AM<br><b>To:</b> Gomes, Chuck<br><b>Cc:</b> GNSO
Council<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [council] Motions for 17 Dec Council
Meeting<br></font><br></div>
<div></div>Thanks Chuck,
<div><br></div>
<div>I don't understand why that requirement applies to motion 3, which you
made on Dec 4, therefore well inside the 8-day requirement by my count.</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>On motion 2, I am in the same boat as you (overwhelmed by emails) and
cannot find the original motion proposal (which I take it was made by staff,
since it is not even moved yet). Do you have a record of what date that
was?</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>Thanks,</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>Stéphane<br><br>
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<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span class="374485513-14122009"><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2">Thanks for the correction Stephane. Not sure how
I missed your second of motion 3.</font></span></div>
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<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span class="374485513-14122009"><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2">Regarding the Council Operating Procedures requirement
that motions should be submitted 8 days prior to a Council meeting, that
requirement would apply to motion 2, motion 3 and motion 4. In all
three cases the Coucil would need to agree to an exception to the procedures
requirement or we will have to delay action on all three
topics.</font></span></div>
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<font face="Tahoma" size="2"><b>From:</b> Stéphane Van Gelder
[mailto:stephane.vangelder@indom.com] <br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, December
14, 2009 8:43 AM<br><b>To:</b> Gomes, Chuck<br><b>Cc:</b> GNSO
Council<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [council] Motions for 17 Dec Council
Meeting<br></font><br></div>
<div></div>Hi Chuck,
<div><br></div>
<div>Your description is incorrect. I had seconded motion 3 on December
6.</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>Further, it is my assessment of the 8 day notice requirement set out
by article 3.3 of the GNSO operating rules and procedures that motion 4,
proposed by Wolf on Dec 13, cannot be submitted for our Dec 17
meeting.</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>I am happy to be corrected if this assessment is wrong.</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>Thanks,</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>Stéphane<br><br>
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<div><font size="2"><span class="419380613-13122009"><font face="Arial">For
our 17 Dec Council meeting, the following four motions listed
below with their status are posted at </font><a href="https://st.icann.org/gnso-council/index.cgi?17_december_motions"><font face="Arial">https://st.icann.org/gnso-council/index.cgi?17_december_motions</font></a><font face="Arial">):</font></span></font></div>
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<li><font face="Arial" size="2"><span class="419380613-13122009">Motion To
Approve Tool Kit of Services Recommendations for GNSO Constituencies
and Stakeholder Groups (amended 4 Dec 09) - moved &
seconded</span></font>
</li><li><font face="Arial" size="2"><span class="419380613-13122009">Motion to
Approve the Alternative Proposal recommended by the Special Trademark
Issues Review Team - needs to be moved and seconded</span></font>
</li><li><font face="Arial" size="2"><span class="419380613-13122009">Motion to
delay decision regarding initiation of a Vertical Integration PDP -
needs to be seconded</span></font>
</li><li><font face="Arial" size="2"><span class="419380613-13122009">Proposed
Motion on Support for a PDP Work Team Face to Face Meeting - needs to
be seconded</span></font></li></ol>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2"><span class="419380613-13122009">At this
point, only motion 1 above is ready for action. So we need someone
to make motion 2 and, if that happens, we will need a second. We
also need seconds on motions 3 & 4. </span></font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2"><span class="419380613-13122009"></span></font> </div>
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