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color=#0000ff size=2>The Board motion was extremely vague but I have been
assuming that the intent was to have something in place for the first round if
possible. Whether it is possible or not remains to be
seen.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=446030115-23032010><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>Chuck</FONT></SPAN></DIV><BR>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> tim@godaddy.com [mailto:tim@godaddy.com]
<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, March 23, 2010 10:57 AM<BR><B>To:</B> Gomes, Chuck;
owner-council@gnso.icann.org; Rafik Dammak<BR><B>Cc:</B> Terry L Davis, P.E.;
Stéphane Van Gelder; Bruce Tonkin; GNSO Council; Margie
Milam<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [council] FW: Proposal to form a Joint ALAC -
GNSO WG "to develop a sustainable approach to providing support to applicants
requiring assistance in applying for and operating new gTLDs" in response to
the ICANN Board Resolution 20 at the Nairobi<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>Does this need to be in place for the first round? I would find it
hard to support assistance for any applicant wanting to apply for a
commercially viable gTLD for profit. So if this would apply mainly to
non-profit community types it seems it isn't urgent.<BR><BR>I'd hate to have
another fasttrack process going where we don't have time to really work out
the best solution.<BR><BR>Tim<BR>
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<DIV><B>From: </B>"Gomes, Chuck" <cgomes@verisign.com> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Date: </B>Tue, 23 Mar 2010 10:41:55 -0400</DIV>
<DIV><B>To: </B>Rafik Dammak<rafik.dammak@gmail.com></DIV>
<DIV><B>Cc: </B>Terry L Davis, P.E.<tdavis2@speakeasy.net>;
<owner-council@gnso.icann.org>; Stéphane Van
Gelder<stephane.vangelder@indom.com>; Bruce
Tonkin<Bruce.Tonkin@melbourneit.com.au>; GNSO
Council<council@gnso.icann.org>; Margie
Milam<Margie.Milam@icann.org></DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject: </B>RE: [council] FW: Proposal to form a Joint ALAC - GNSO WG
"to develop a sustainable approach to providing support to applicants
requiring assistance in applying for and operating new gTLDs" in response to
the ICANN Board Resolution 20 at the Nairobi</DIV>
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color=#0000ff size=2>A motion is being prepared for GNSO Council action on 1
April. The ALAC also has this on their agenda today. The motion
will likely task the WG with first developing a charter that would need to be
approved by the participating SO's and AC's.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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color=#0000ff size=2>Rafik - would you like to make the motion? Margie
is preparing a draft motion; once I have it, I would be happy to send it to
you so you can make it. The deadline for motions is tomorrow, 24
March.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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color=#0000ff size=2>Chuck</FONT></SPAN></DIV><BR>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> Rafik Dammak
[mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com] <BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, March 22, 2010 8:57
PM<BR><B>To:</B> Gomes, Chuck<BR><B>Cc:</B> Terry L Davis, P.E.;
owner-council@gnso.icann.org; Stéphane Van Gelder; Bruce Tonkin; GNSO
Council<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [council] FW: Proposal to form a Joint ALAC -
GNSO WG "to develop a sustainable approach to providing support to
applicants requiring assistance in applying for and operating new gTLDs" in
response to the ICANN Board Resolution 20 at the
Nairobi<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr>yes definitely. what is the process for starting this joint-wg?
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<DIV>Rafik<BR><BR>
<DIV class=gmail_quote>2010/3/23 Gomes, Chuck <SPAN dir=ltr><<A
href="mailto:cgomes@verisign.com">cgomes@verisign.com</A>></SPAN><BR>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Maybe
the joint WG will be able to come up with some good
ideas.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Chuck</FONT></SPAN></DIV><BR>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> Rafik Dammak [mailto:<A
href="mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com"
target=_blank>rafik.dammak@gmail.com</A>] <BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, March
22, 2010 12:52 PM<BR><B>To:</B> Gomes, Chuck<BR><B>Cc:</B> Terry L
Davis, P.E.; <A href="mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org"
target=_blank>owner-council@gnso.icann.org</A>; Stéphane Van Gelder;
Bruce Tonkin; GNSO Council
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<DIV class=h5><BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [council] FW: Proposal to form a
Joint ALAC - GNSO WG "to develop a sustainable approach to providing
support to applicants requiring assistance in applying for and operating
new gTLDs" in response to the ICANN Board Resolution 20 at the
Nairobi<BR></DIV></DIV></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr>Hi Chuck,
<DIV><BR>I am concerned that the only explanation that we can hear is
"staff said" or "staff stated" or "staff explained" or "staff decided".
I understand for the need for support form the staff but for GNSO
council, there are still rooms to have its own vision and making
decision independently from staff reports? </DIV>
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<DIV>@Alan yes the feeling is that ICANN is not listening to people from
developing countries and get more worse when ICANN "would like" ccTLD
from African region to participate with 3% (Idea suggested by Rod) or
also to hear the "technical support" which will be provided by the
proposed DNS-CERT (it is really offending and just overlapping with
tasks done by regional organizations)</DIV>
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<DIV>Regards</DIV>
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<DIV>Rafik</DIV>
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<DIV class=gmail_quote>2010/3/21 Gomes, Chuck <SPAN dir=ltr><<A
href="mailto:cgomes@verisign.com"
target=_blank>cgomes@verisign.com</A>></SPAN><BR>
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don't think anyone believes that the costs to run every registry is
the same. Some have higher security needs than others.
Some need a more global infrastructure than others. Some
have lower costs in their region and in other places in the world.
All have different business plans.<BR><BR>But the basic cost of
evaluating an application, excluding any dispute processes that may
ensue, are essentially the same for all applicants except in cases
where the same applicant applies for multiple TLDs. The way
Staff has decided to impose application fees as of now, they have
already built in subsidization of fees for single TLD applicants by
those applying for multiple TLDs.<BR><FONT
color=#888888><BR>Chuck<BR></FONT>
<DIV><BR>> -----Original Message-----<BR>> From: <A
href="mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org"
target=_blank>owner-council@gnso.icann.org</A><BR>> [mailto:<A
href="mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org"
target=_blank>owner-council@gnso.icann.org</A>] On Behalf Of<BR></DIV>
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<DIV>> <A href="mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com"
target=_blank>rafik.dammak@gmail.com</A><BR>> Sent: Saturday, March
20, 2010 9:40 PM<BR>> To: Terry L Davis, P.E.; <A
href="mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org"
target=_blank>owner-council@gnso.icann.org</A>;<BR>> 'Stéphane Van
Gelder'; 'Bruce Tonkin'<BR>> Cc: 'GNSO Council '<BR>> Subject:
Re: [council] FW: Proposal to form a Joint ALAC -<BR>> GNSO WG "to
develop a sustainable approach to providing<BR>> support to
applicants requiring assistance in applying for<BR>> and operating
new gTLDs" in response to the ICANN Board<BR>> Resolution 20 at the
Nairobi Meeti<BR>><BR>><BR>> Hello All,<BR>><BR>> In my
point of view, it sounds that you are wrongly using the<BR>>
principle of equality in this case which looks more like<BR>>
discrimination against applicants for developing regions. Why<BR>>
you want a registry from developing regions to have the same<BR>>
budget of registry in developed country?there are a lot of<BR>> way
to cut costs.<BR>><BR>> Yes, a registry in developing region can
be run with respect<BR>> to all ICANN requirements in cheaper way
than in developed country.<BR>> That is why I would like if
possible that Bruce point to<BR>> documents (if they exist)
explaining in details the why of<BR>> such requested costs for
running a regisrty from ICANN<BR>> perspective?but also for the
application fees as the<BR>> explanation of cost recovery remains
vague and abstract.<BR>><BR>> Thank you,<BR>><BR>>
Regards<BR>><BR>> Rafik<BR>> BlackBerry from
DOCOMO<BR>><BR>> -----Original Message-----<BR>> From: "Terry
L Davis, P.E." <<A href="mailto:tdavis2@speakeasy.net"
target=_blank>tdavis2@speakeasy.net</A>><BR>> Date: Sat, 20 Mar
2010 17:32:53<BR>> To: 'St phane Van Gelder'<<A
href="mailto:stephane.vangelder@indom.com"
target=_blank>stephane.vangelder@indom.com</A>>;<BR>> 'Bruce
Tonkin'<<A href="mailto:Bruce.Tonkin@melbourneit.com.au"
target=_blank>Bruce.Tonkin@melbourneit.com.au</A>><BR>> Cc:
'GNSO Council '<<A href="mailto:council@gnso.icann.org"
target=_blank>council@gnso.icann.org</A>><BR>> Subject: RE:
[council] FW: Proposal to form a Joint ALAC -<BR>> GNSO WG "to
develop a sustainable approach to providing<BR>> support to
applicants requiring assistance in applying for<BR>> and operating
new gTLDs" in response to the ICANN Board<BR>> Resolution 20 at the
Nairobi Meeti<BR>><BR>><BR>> Stephane<BR>><BR>> My
feelings also.<BR>><BR>> To me, we would have to treat all
"dis-advantaged enties"<BR>> alike regardless<BR>> of their
nationality as there will be many entities in every<BR>> country
for<BR>> which the TLD cost is too high. My first question to any
of<BR>> them though<BR>> would be to ask if the entry cost is
too high, do you<BR>> actually have the<BR>> resources then to
run a TLD?<BR>><BR>> Feels more like a "tar pit" than a can of
worms.<BR>><BR>> Take care<BR>> Terry<BR>><BR>>
-----Original Message-----<BR>> From: <A
href="mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org"
target=_blank>owner-council@gnso.icann.org</A><BR>> [mailto:<A
href="mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org"
target=_blank>owner-council@gnso.icann.org</A>] On<BR>> Behalf Of
St phane Van Gelder<BR>> Sent: Saturday, March 20, 2010 4:57
AM<BR>> To: Bruce Tonkin<BR>> Cc: GNSO Council<BR>> Subject:
Re: [council] FW: Proposal to form a Joint ALAC - GNSO WG "to<BR>>
develop a sustainable approach to providing support to<BR>>
applicants requiring<BR>> assistance in applying for and operating
new gTLDs" in<BR>> response to the ICANN<BR>> Board Resolution
20 at the Nairobi Meeti<BR>><BR>><BR>> I had understood the
motion to be referencing financial support.<BR>><BR>> But to me
it really doesn't look like much of a solution. If<BR>> the aim is
to<BR>> help applicants with lesser means, then this motion is
so<BR>> vague as to be<BR>> totally moot. If the Board really
has a desire to explore the<BR>> possibility of<BR>> catering to
applicants with different financial profiles, I<BR>> think we
then<BR>> spill into the notion of categories of applicants that
the<BR>> GAC has been<BR>> pushing for and we then open up
several new cans of worms<BR>> that can only lead<BR>> to more
delays.<BR>><BR>> Just my personal five cents.<BR>><BR>>
St phane<BR>><BR>> Le 20 mars 2010 06:41, Bruce Tonkin a
crit :<BR>><BR>> ><BR>> > Hello Chuck,<BR>>
><BR>> >><BR>> >> This is interesting Bruce.
I had no idea that this motion<BR>> was talking<BR>>
>> about financial support;<BR>> ><BR>> > Well the
focus of much of the public comment has been for<BR>> the Board
to<BR>> > reduce the application fees for developing
countries.<BR>> ><BR>> > The Board instead is saying that
there are other ways of solving the<BR>> > issue of
participation - and left it open for the community to put<BR>> >
forward some proposals. It was my input (which I also<BR>>
stated during<BR>> > the Board meeting) - that it is not just
financial support that may<BR>> > help, but also support in
terms of resources. I gave the<BR>> example that<BR>>
> in the past, many smaller ccTLDS used secondary
nameservers<BR>> operated by<BR>> > larger ccTLDS in
developed countries at no cost.<BR>> ><BR>> >
Regards,<BR>> > Bruce Tonkin<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>>
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