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color=#0000ff size=2>Thanks Rafik. I will send it to you shortly.
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color=#0000ff size=2>One more question: Would you also be willing to serve as
the Council Liaison for this WG?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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color=#0000ff size=2>Chuck</FONT></SPAN></DIV><BR>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> Rafik Dammak
[mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com] <BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, March 23, 2010 4:28
PM<BR><B>To:</B> Gomes, Chuck<BR><B>Cc:</B> Terry L Davis, P.E.;
owner-council@gnso.icann.org; Stéphane Van Gelder; Bruce Tonkin; GNSO Council;
Margie Milam<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [council] FW: Proposal to form a Joint
ALAC - GNSO WG "to develop a sustainable approach to providing support to
applicants requiring assistance in applying for and operating new gTLDs" in
response to the ICANN Board Resolution 20 at the Nairobi<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr>Thanks Chuck, I would like to make the motion and to receive the
draft motion which will be prepared by Margie.
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<DIV>Rafik<BR>
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<DIV class=gmail_quote>2010/3/23 Gomes, Chuck <SPAN dir=ltr><<A
href="mailto:cgomes@verisign.com">cgomes@verisign.com</A>></SPAN><BR>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>A motion
is being prepared for GNSO Council action on 1 April. The ALAC also
has this on their agenda today. The motion will likely task the WG
with first developing a charter that would need to be approved by the
participating SO's and AC's.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Rafik -
would you like to make the motion? Margie is preparing a draft motion;
once I have it, I would be happy to send it to you so you can make it.
The deadline for motions is tomorrow, 24 March.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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size=2>Chuck</FONT></SPAN></DIV><BR>
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<DIV class=im><B>From:</B> Rafik Dammak [mailto:<A
href="mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com"
target=_blank>rafik.dammak@gmail.com</A>] <BR></DIV><B>Sent:</B> Monday,
March 22, 2010 8:57 PM
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<DIV class=h5><BR><B>To:</B> Gomes, Chuck<BR><B>Cc:</B> Terry L Davis,
P.E.; <A href="mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org"
target=_blank>owner-council@gnso.icann.org</A>; Stéphane Van Gelder; Bruce
Tonkin; GNSO Council<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [council] FW: Proposal to form
a Joint ALAC - GNSO WG "to develop a sustainable approach to providing
support to applicants requiring assistance in applying for and operating
new gTLDs" in response to the ICANN Board Resolution 20 at the
Nairobi<BR></DIV></DIV></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr>yes definitely. what is the process for starting this
joint-wg?
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<DIV>Rafik<BR><BR>
<DIV class=gmail_quote>2010/3/23 Gomes, Chuck <SPAN dir=ltr><<A
href="mailto:cgomes@verisign.com"
target=_blank>cgomes@verisign.com</A>></SPAN><BR>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Maybe the joint WG will be able to come up with some good
ideas.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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size=2>Chuck</FONT></SPAN></DIV><BR>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> Rafik Dammak [mailto:<A
href="mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com"
target=_blank>rafik.dammak@gmail.com</A>] <BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday,
March 22, 2010 12:52 PM<BR><B>To:</B> Gomes, Chuck<BR><B>Cc:</B> Terry
L Davis, P.E.; <A href="mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org"
target=_blank>owner-council@gnso.icann.org</A>; Stéphane Van Gelder;
Bruce Tonkin; GNSO Council
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<DIV><BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [council] FW: Proposal to form a Joint
ALAC - GNSO WG "to develop a sustainable approach to providing support
to applicants requiring assistance in applying for and operating new
gTLDs" in response to the ICANN Board Resolution 20 at the
Nairobi<BR></DIV></DIV></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr>Hi Chuck,
<DIV><BR>I am concerned that the only explanation that we can hear is
"staff said" or "staff stated" or "staff explained" or "staff
decided". I understand for the need for support form the staff but for
GNSO council, there are still rooms to have its own vision and making
decision independently from staff reports? </DIV>
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<DIV>@Alan yes the feeling is that ICANN is not listening to people
from developing countries and get more worse when ICANN "would like"
ccTLD from African region to participate with 3% (Idea suggested by
Rod) or also to hear the "technical support" which will be provided by
the proposed DNS-CERT (it is really offending and just overlapping
with tasks done by regional organizations)</DIV>
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<DIV>Regards</DIV>
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<DIV>Rafik</DIV>
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<DIV class=gmail_quote>2010/3/21 Gomes, Chuck <SPAN dir=ltr><<A
href="mailto:cgomes@verisign.com"
target=_blank>cgomes@verisign.com</A>></SPAN><BR>
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style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">I
don't think anyone believes that the costs to run every registry is
the same. Some have higher security needs than others.
Some need a more global infrastructure than others. Some
have lower costs in their region and in other places in the world.
All have different business plans.<BR><BR>But the basic cost
of evaluating an application, excluding any dispute processes that
may ensue, are essentially the same for all applicants except in
cases where the same applicant applies for multiple TLDs. The
way Staff has decided to impose application fees as of now, they
have already built in subsidization of fees for single TLD
applicants by those applying for multiple TLDs.<BR><FONT
color=#888888><BR>Chuck<BR></FONT>
<DIV><BR>> -----Original Message-----<BR>> From: <A
href="mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org"
target=_blank>owner-council@gnso.icann.org</A><BR>> [mailto:<A
href="mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org"
target=_blank>owner-council@gnso.icann.org</A>] On Behalf
Of<BR></DIV>
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<DIV>> <A href="mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com"
target=_blank>rafik.dammak@gmail.com</A><BR>> Sent: Saturday,
March 20, 2010 9:40 PM<BR>> To: Terry L Davis, P.E.; <A
href="mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org"
target=_blank>owner-council@gnso.icann.org</A>;<BR>> 'Stéphane
Van Gelder'; 'Bruce Tonkin'<BR>> Cc: 'GNSO Council '<BR>>
Subject: Re: [council] FW: Proposal to form a Joint ALAC -<BR>>
GNSO WG "to develop a sustainable approach to providing<BR>>
support to applicants requiring assistance in applying for<BR>>
and operating new gTLDs" in response to the ICANN Board<BR>>
Resolution 20 at the Nairobi Meeti<BR>><BR>><BR>> Hello
All,<BR>><BR>> In my point of view, it sounds that you are
wrongly using the<BR>> principle of equality in this case which
looks more like<BR>> discrimination against applicants for
developing regions. Why<BR>> you want a registry from developing
regions to have the same<BR>> budget of registry in developed
country?there are a lot of<BR>> way to cut costs.<BR>><BR>>
Yes, a registry in developing region can be run with respect<BR>>
to all ICANN requirements in cheaper way than in developed
country.<BR>> That is why I would like if possible that Bruce
point to<BR>> documents (if they exist) explaining in details the
why of<BR>> such requested costs for running a regisrty from
ICANN<BR>> perspective?but also for the application fees as
the<BR>> explanation of cost recovery remains vague and
abstract.<BR>><BR>> Thank you,<BR>><BR>>
Regards<BR>><BR>> Rafik<BR>> BlackBerry from
DOCOMO<BR>><BR>> -----Original Message-----<BR>> From:
"Terry L Davis, P.E." <<A href="mailto:tdavis2@speakeasy.net"
target=_blank>tdavis2@speakeasy.net</A>><BR>> Date: Sat, 20
Mar 2010 17:32:53<BR>> To: 'St phane Van Gelder'<<A
href="mailto:stephane.vangelder@indom.com"
target=_blank>stephane.vangelder@indom.com</A>>;<BR>> 'Bruce
Tonkin'<<A href="mailto:Bruce.Tonkin@melbourneit.com.au"
target=_blank>Bruce.Tonkin@melbourneit.com.au</A>><BR>> Cc:
'GNSO Council '<<A href="mailto:council@gnso.icann.org"
target=_blank>council@gnso.icann.org</A>><BR>> Subject: RE:
[council] FW: Proposal to form a Joint ALAC -<BR>> GNSO WG "to
develop a sustainable approach to providing<BR>> support to
applicants requiring assistance in applying for<BR>> and
operating new gTLDs" in response to the ICANN Board<BR>>
Resolution 20 at the Nairobi Meeti<BR>><BR>><BR>>
Stephane<BR>><BR>> My feelings also.<BR>><BR>> To me, we
would have to treat all "dis-advantaged enties"<BR>> alike
regardless<BR>> of their nationality as there will be many
entities in every<BR>> country for<BR>> which the TLD cost is
too high. My first question to any of<BR>> them though<BR>>
would be to ask if the entry cost is too high, do you<BR>>
actually have the<BR>> resources then to run a
TLD?<BR>><BR>> Feels more like a "tar pit" than a can of
worms.<BR>><BR>> Take care<BR>> Terry<BR>><BR>>
-----Original Message-----<BR>> From: <A
href="mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org"
target=_blank>owner-council@gnso.icann.org</A><BR>> [mailto:<A
href="mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org"
target=_blank>owner-council@gnso.icann.org</A>] On<BR>> Behalf Of
St phane Van Gelder<BR>> Sent: Saturday, March 20, 2010 4:57
AM<BR>> To: Bruce Tonkin<BR>> Cc: GNSO Council<BR>>
Subject: Re: [council] FW: Proposal to form a Joint ALAC - GNSO WG
"to<BR>> develop a sustainable approach to providing support
to<BR>> applicants requiring<BR>> assistance in applying for
and operating new gTLDs" in<BR>> response to the ICANN<BR>>
Board Resolution 20 at the Nairobi Meeti<BR>><BR>><BR>> I
had understood the motion to be referencing financial
support.<BR>><BR>> But to me it really doesn't look like much
of a solution. If<BR>> the aim is to<BR>> help applicants with
lesser means, then this motion is so<BR>> vague as to be<BR>>
totally moot. If the Board really has a desire to explore
the<BR>> possibility of<BR>> catering to applicants with
different financial profiles, I<BR>> think we then<BR>> spill
into the notion of categories of applicants that the<BR>> GAC has
been<BR>> pushing for and we then open up several new cans of
worms<BR>> that can only lead<BR>> to more
delays.<BR>><BR>> Just my personal five cents.<BR>><BR>>
St phane<BR>><BR>> Le 20 mars 2010 06:41, Bruce Tonkin
a crit :<BR>><BR>> ><BR>> > Hello
Chuck,<BR>> ><BR>> >><BR>> >> This is
interesting Bruce. I had no idea that this motion<BR>> was
talking<BR>> >> about financial support;<BR>>
><BR>> > Well the focus of much of the public comment has
been for<BR>> the Board to<BR>> > reduce the application
fees for developing countries.<BR>> ><BR>> > The Board
instead is saying that there are other ways of solving the<BR>>
> issue of participation - and left it open for the community to
put<BR>> > forward some proposals. It was my input
(which I also<BR>> stated during<BR>> > the Board meeting)
- that it is not just financial support that may<BR>> > help,
but also support in terms of resources. I gave the<BR>>
example that<BR>> > in the past, many smaller ccTLDS used
secondary nameservers<BR>> operated by<BR>> > larger ccTLDS
in developed countries at no cost.<BR>> ><BR>> >
Regards,<BR>> > Bruce Tonkin<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>>
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