<div dir="ltr">hello everybody,<div><br></div><div>I think that there are misunderstandings about the working group and its relation with the new gTLD process too.</div><div>- the working group should work on finding approaches for applicants requiring assistance. it means that those applicants have anyway to follow the same requirements like any other applicants. the assistance may be technical (as suggested by Andrei) or/and financial (to find structure/organizations to fund those projects, it is not ICANN which will fund!). those efforts are toward applicants from developing regions fro example (not all of them need assistance) or non-profits (like those mentioned by Debbie)</div>
<div>in response to Adrian comments, those applicants won't have special or privileged treatment as they will have the same evaluation process like others. I am still not in favor in high pricing and fees nor of the suggested cost for running registry with ALL requirements and with respect to security, resilience and stability (within NCSG we are working to prove that) but the working group has another scope, it is just about funding for applicants having a real and sustainable plan for running registry to response a community need or for non-profit purpose.</div>
<div>- no link with ongoing implementation process and no possible delay. the board withdrew the controversial EOI because possible delay. I think Bill made clearly the point about that.</div><div>finally, I agree with Debbie comments. just for remind we talk many times about public interest within ICANN, I hope to see it effectively now with that working group.</div>
<div> </div><div>Regards</div><div><br></div><div>Rafik</div><div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/3/24 <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:KnobenW@telekom.de" target="_blank">KnobenW@telekom.de</a>></span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2">Bill,</font></span></div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2"></font></span> </div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2">that board decision for my impression was too weak, vague -
and simple. I would have expected more guidance given by the board. So it's up
to the community to open this barrel. But as long as it affects negatively the
implementation schedule for new gTLDs I wouldn't do so.</font></span></div>
<div><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2"></font> </div><br>
<p><span lang="de"><font face="Courier New" size="2">Regards</font></span> <br><span lang="de"><font face="Courier New" size="2">Wolf-Ulrich</font></span> </p>
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<font face="Tahoma" size="2"><b>Von:</b> <a href="mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org" target="_blank">owner-council@gnso.icann.org</a>
[mailto:<a href="mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org" target="_blank">owner-council@gnso.icann.org</a>] <b>Im Auftrag von </b>William
Drake<br><b>Gesendet:</b> Dienstag, 23. März 2010 23:04<br><b>An:</b> GNSO
Council List<br><b>Betreff:</b> Re: [council] FW: Proposal to form a Joint
ALAC - GNSO WG "to develop a sustainable approach to providing support to
applicants requiring assistance in applying for and operating new gTLDs" in
response to the ICANN Board Resolution 20 at the Nairobi<br></font><br></div><div><div></div><div>
<div></div>
<div>The board simply asked that a WG develop a sustainable approach to
supporting applicants requiring assistance. Isn't it a bit
premature to be worrying about carve outs, fast tracks, launch delays and all
the rest? Why not take this one step at a time....</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>Bill</div>
<div><br>
<div>
<div>On Mar 23, 2010, at 5:52 PM, Adrian Kinderis wrote:</div><br>
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<div style="font-size:12pt;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:Calibri, sans-serif">My
reading of Tim’s email is that non-profit gTLD’s et al are already catered
for in the new gTLD Process as it stands and that there should be no need,
at this late stage, to provide a carve out or fast track especially for
those groups.</span></div>
<div style="font-size:12pt;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:Calibri, sans-serif"></span></div>
<div style="font-size:12pt;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:Calibri, sans-serif">I
think we all understand the importance and relevance of humanitarian
efforts. That is why they are catered for within the DAG as it
stands.</span></div>
<div style="font-size:12pt;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:Calibri, sans-serif"></span></div>
<div style="font-size:12pt;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:Calibri, sans-serif">I
agree with Tim, if my reading is correct, that delays caused by this late
consideration are not helpful nor desirable.</span></div>
<div style="font-size:12pt;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:Calibri, sans-serif"></span></div>
<div style="font-size:12pt;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:Calibri, sans-serif">Finally
I wouldn’t want this motion to centre on ‘non-profits’ alone. There are many
non-profits that would scoff at only having to pay $185k fee to apply (it
may help them keep their ability to not declare a profit after
all</span><span style="font-size:11pt;color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:Wingdings">J</span><span style="font-size:11pt;color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:Calibri, sans-serif">).</span></div>
<div style="font-size:12pt;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:Calibri, sans-serif"></span></div>
<div style="font-size:12pt;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:Calibri, sans-serif">Tim,
sorry if I misrepresented your point.</span></div>
<div style="font-size:12pt;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:Calibri, sans-serif"></span></div>
<div style="font-size:12pt;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:Calibri, sans-serif"></span></div>
<div style="font-size:12pt;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:Calibri, sans-serif"></span></div>
<div style="font-size:12pt;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif"><b><span style="font-size:11pt;color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:Calibri, sans-serif">Adrian
Kinderis</span></b><span style="font-size:11pt;color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:Calibri, sans-serif"><br><br></span><span style="font-size:9pt;color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:Calibri, sans-serif"></span></div>
<div style="font-size:12pt;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:Calibri, sans-serif"></span></div>
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<div style="font-size:12pt;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma, sans-serif">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma, sans-serif"><span> </span><a style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline" href="mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org" target="_blank">owner-council@gnso.icann.org</a><span> </span>[mailto:<a href="mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org" target="_blank">owner-council@gnso.icann.org</a>]<span> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span> </span></b>Olga
Cavalli<br><b>Sent:</b><span> </span>Wednesday, 24 March 2010 7:25
AM<br><b>To:</b><span> </span><a style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline" href="mailto:HughesDeb@usa.redcross.org" target="_blank">HughesDeb@usa.redcross.org</a><br><b>Cc:</b><span> </span><a style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline" href="mailto:tim@godaddy.com" target="_blank">tim@godaddy.com</a>;<span> </span><a style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline" href="mailto:cgomes@verisign.com" target="_blank">cgomes@verisign.com</a>;<span> </span><a style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline" href="mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org" target="_blank">owner-council@gnso.icann.org</a>;<span> </span><a style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline" href="mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com" target="_blank">rafik.dammak@gmail.com</a>;<span> </span><a style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline" href="mailto:tdavis2@speakeasy.net" target="_blank">tdavis2@speakeasy.net</a>;<a style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline" href="mailto:stephane.vangelder@indom.com" target="_blank">stephane.vangelder@indom.com</a>;
Bruce Tonkin;<span> </span><a style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline" href="mailto:council@gnso.icann.org" target="_blank">council@gnso.icann.org</a>;<span> </span><a style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline" href="mailto:Margie.Milam@icann.org" target="_blank">Margie.Milam@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b><span> </span>Re: [council] FW: Proposal to form
a Joint ALAC - GNSO WG "to develop a sustainable approach to providing
support to applicants requiring assistance in applying for and operating new
gTLDs" in response to the ICANN Board Resolution 20 at the
Nairobi</span></div></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;margin:0cm 0cm 12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif">Hi,<br>I
support Debbie´s comments.<br>regards<br>Olga</p>
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<div style="font-size:12pt;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif">2010/3/23
<<a style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline" href="mailto:HughesDeb@usa.redcross.org" target="_blank">HughesDeb@usa.redcross.org</a>></div>
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<div style="font-size:12pt;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10pt;color:blue;font-family:Arial, sans-serif">Tim,</span><span lang="EN-US"></span></div>
<div style="font-size:12pt;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10pt;color:blue;font-family:Arial, sans-serif"></span><span lang="EN-US"></span></div>
<div style="font-size:12pt;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10pt;color:blue;font-family:Arial, sans-serif">I am
sorry to hear that you think discussion of a processes related to non-profit
gTLDs is not “urgent.” I certainly understand the concern shared by
many related to ICANN staff and Councilors limited resources and
timing; however, I think we do ICANN a disservice by discrediting the
importance non-commercial use new gTLDs and minimizing the voice of certain
stakeholders based on the lack of commercialization of new gTLDs. I
would hope many may come to understand that there are “urgent” and important
non-commercial uses for new gTLDs. For example, humanitarian, educational
and philanthropic activity is very meaningful to communities
worldwide.</span><span lang="EN-US"></span></div>
<div style="font-size:12pt;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10pt;color:blue;font-family:Arial, sans-serif"></span><span lang="EN-US"></span></div>
<div style="font-size:12pt;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10pt;color:blue;font-family:Arial, sans-serif">I hope
there is a way to get this process right without delay. Delay helps no
one. However, dismissing groups as suggested below for the sake of
speed is very disconcerting.</span><span lang="EN-US"></span></div>
<div style="font-size:12pt;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10pt;color:blue;font-family:Arial, sans-serif"></span><span lang="EN-US"></span></div>
<div style="font-size:12pt;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10pt;color:blue;font-family:Arial, sans-serif">Debbie</span><span lang="EN-US"></span></div>
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Street, NW<span> </span></span><span lang="EN-US" style="color:blue"><br></span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10pt;color:black;font-family:Arial, sans-serif">Washington,
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<div style="font-size:12pt;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma, sans-serif">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma, sans-serif"><span> </span><a style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline" href="mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org" target="_blank">owner-council@gnso.icann.org</a><span> </span>[mailto:<a style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline" href="mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org" target="_blank">owner-council@gnso.icann.org</a>]<span> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span> </span></b><a style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline" href="mailto:tim@godaddy.com" target="_blank">tim@godaddy.com</a><br>
<b>Sent:</b><span> </span>Tuesday, March 23, 2010 10:57
AM<br><b>To:</b><span> </span>Gomes,
Chuck;<span> </span><a style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline" href="mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org" target="_blank">owner-council@gnso.icann.org</a>; Rafik
Dammak<br><b>Cc:</b><span> </span>Terry L
Davis, P.E.; Stéphane Van Gelder; Bruce Tonkin; GNSO Council; Margie
Milam<br><b>Subject:</b><span> </span>Re:
[council] FW: Proposal to form a Joint ALAC - GNSO WG "to develop a
sustainable approach to providing support to applicants requiring assistance
in applying for and operating new gTLDs" in response to the ICANN Board
Resolution 20 at the Nairobi</span><span lang="EN-US"></span></div></div>
<div style="font-size:12pt;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif"><span lang="EN-US"></span></div>
<div style="font-size:12pt;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif"><span lang="EN-US">Does this need to be in place for the first round? I would find
it hard to support assistance for any applicant wanting to apply for a
commercially viable gTLD for profit. So if this would apply mainly to
non-profit community types it seems it isn't urgent.<br><br>I'd hate to have
another fasttrack process going where we don't have time to really work out
the best solution.<br><br>Tim</span></div>
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<div style="font-size:12pt;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:<span> </span></span></b><span lang="EN-US">"Gomes,
Chuck" <<a style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline" href="mailto:cgomes@verisign.com" target="_blank">cgomes@verisign.com</a>></span></div></div>
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<div style="font-size:12pt;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif"><b><span lang="EN-US">Date:<span> </span></span></b><span lang="EN-US">Tue, 23
Mar 2010 10:41:55 -0400</span></div></div>
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<div style="font-size:12pt;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif"><b><span lang="EN-US">To:<span> </span></span></b><span lang="EN-US">Rafik
Dammak<<a style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline" href="mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com" target="_blank">rafik.dammak@gmail.com</a>></span></div></div>
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<div style="font-size:12pt;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif"><b><span lang="EN-US">Cc:<span> </span></span></b><span lang="EN-US">Terry L
Davis, P.E.<<a style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline" href="mailto:tdavis2@speakeasy.net" target="_blank">tdavis2@speakeasy.net</a>>; <<a style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline" href="mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org" target="_blank">owner-council@gnso.icann.org</a>>; Stéphane Van
Gelder<<a style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline" href="mailto:stephane.vangelder@indom.com" target="_blank">stephane.vangelder@indom.com</a>>; Bruce Tonkin<<a style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline" href="mailto:Bruce.Tonkin@melbourneit.com.au" target="_blank">Bruce.Tonkin@melbourneit.com.au</a>>; GNSO Council<<a style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline" href="mailto:council@gnso.icann.org" target="_blank">council@gnso.icann.org</a>>; Margie Milam<<a style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline" href="mailto:Margie.Milam@icann.org" target="_blank">Margie.Milam@icann.org</a>></span></div>
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<div style="font-size:12pt;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif"><b><span lang="EN-US">Subject:<span> </span></span></b><span lang="EN-US">RE:
[council] FW: Proposal to form a Joint ALAC - GNSO WG "to develop a
sustainable approach to providing support to applicants requiring assistance
in applying for and operating new gTLDs" in response to the ICANN Board
Resolution 20 at the Nairobi</span></div></div>
<div>
<div style="font-size:12pt;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif"><span lang="EN-US"></span></div></div>
<div style="font-size:12pt;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10pt;color:blue;font-family:Arial, sans-serif">A
motion is being prepared for GNSO Council action on 1 April. The ALAC
also has this on their agenda today. The motion will likely task the
WG with first developing a charter that would need to be approved by the
participating SO's and AC's.</span><span lang="EN-US"></span></div>
<div style="font-size:12pt;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif"><span lang="EN-US"></span></div>
<div style="font-size:12pt;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10pt;color:blue;font-family:Arial, sans-serif">Rafik -
would you like to make the motion? Margie is preparing a draft motion;
once I have it, I would be happy to send it to you so you can make it.
The deadline for motions is tomorrow, 24 March.</span><span lang="EN-US"></span></div>
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<div style="font-size:12pt;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10pt;color:blue;font-family:Arial, sans-serif">Chuck</span><span lang="EN-US"></span></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;margin:0cm 0cm 12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma, sans-serif">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma, sans-serif"><span> </span>Rafik Dammak [mailto:<a style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline" href="mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com" target="_blank">rafik.dammak@gmail.com</a>]<span> </span><br>
<b>Sent:</b><span> </span>Monday, March 22, 2010 8:57
PM<br><b>To:</b><span> </span>Gomes,
Chuck<br><b>Cc:</b><span> </span>Terry L
Davis, P.E.;<span> </span><a style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline" href="mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org" target="_blank">owner-council@gnso.icann.org</a>; Stéphane Van Gelder; Bruce
Tonkin; GNSO Council<br><b>Subject:</b><span> </span>Re: [council] FW: Proposal to
form a Joint ALAC - GNSO WG "to develop a sustainable approach to
providing support to applicants requiring assistance in applying for and
operating new gTLDs" in response to the ICANN Board Resolution 20 at the
Nairobi</span><span lang="EN-US"></span></p>
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<div style="font-size:12pt;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif"><span lang="EN-US">yes definitely. what is the process for starting this
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<b>Sent:</b><span> </span>Monday, March 22, 2010 12:52
PM<br><b>To:</b><span> </span>Gomes,
Chuck<br><b>Cc:</b><span> </span>Terry
L Davis, P.E.;<span> </span><a style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline" href="mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org" target="_blank">owner-council@gnso.icann.org</a>; Stéphane Van Gelder;
Bruce Tonkin; GNSO Council</span><span lang="EN-US"></span></div>
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form a Joint ALAC - GNSO WG "to develop a sustainable approach to
providing support to applicants requiring assistance in applying for and
operating new gTLDs" in response to the ICANN Board Resolution 20 at the
Nairobi</span><span lang="EN-US"></span></div></div></div>
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is "staff said" or "staff stated" or "staff explained" or "staff
decided". I understand for the need for support form the staff but for
GNSO council, there are still rooms to have its own vision and making
decision independently from staff
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<div style="font-size:12pt;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif"><span lang="EN-US">@Alan yes the feeling is that ICANN is not listening to
people from developing countries and get more worse when ICANN "would
like" ccTLD from African region to participate with 3% (Idea suggested
by Rod) or also to hear the "technical support" which will be provided
by the proposed DNS-CERT (it is really offending and just overlapping
with tasks done by
regional organizations)</span></div></div>
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<div style="font-size:12pt;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif"><span lang="EN-US">I don't think anyone believes that the costs to run every
registry is the same. Some have higher security needs than others.
Some need a more global infrastructure than others. Some
have lower costs in their region and in other places in the world.
All have different business plans.<br><br>But the basic cost of
evaluating an application, excluding any dispute processes that may
ensue, are essentially the same for all applicants except in cases where
the same applicant applies for multiple TLDs. The way Staff has
decided to impose application fees as of now, they have already built in
subsidization of fees for single TLD applicants by those applying for
multiple TLDs.<br><span style="color:rgb(136,136,136)"><br>Chuck</span></span></div>
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<div style="font-size:12pt;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif"><span lang="EN-US"><br>> -----Original Message-----<br>> From:<span> </span><a style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline" href="mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org" target="_blank">owner-council@gnso.icann.org</a><br>
> [mailto:<a style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline" href="mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org" target="_blank">owner-council@gnso.icann.org</a>] On Behalf
Of</span></div></div>
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<div style="font-size:12pt;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif"><span lang="EN-US">><span> </span><a style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline" href="mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com" target="_blank">rafik.dammak@gmail.com</a><br>
> Sent: Saturday, March
20, 2010 9:40 PM<br>> To: Terry L Davis, P.E.;<span> </span><a style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline" href="mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org" target="_blank">owner-council@gnso.icann.org</a>;<br>> 'Stéphane Van
Gelder'; 'Bruce Tonkin'<br>> Cc: 'GNSO Council '<br>> Subject: Re:
[council] FW: Proposal to form a Joint ALAC -<br>> GNSO WG "to
develop a sustainable approach to providing<br>> support to
applicants requiring assistance in applying for<br>> and operating
new gTLDs" in response to the ICANN Board<br>> Resolution 20 at the
Nairobi Meeti<br>><br>><br>> Hello All,<br>><br>> In my
point of view, it sounds that you are wrongly using the<br>>
principle of equality in this case which looks more like<br>>
discrimination against applicants for developing regions. Why<br>>
you want a registry from developing regions to have the same<br>>
budget of registry in developed country?there are a lot of<br>> way
to cut costs.<br>><br>> Yes, a registry in developing region can
be run with respect<br>> to all ICANN requirements in cheaper way
than in developed country.<br>> That is why I would like if possible
that Bruce point to<br>> documents (if they exist) explaining in
details the why of<br>> such requested costs for running a regisrty
from ICANN<br>> perspective?but also for the application fees as
the<br>> explanation of cost recovery remains vague and
abstract.<br>><br>> Thank you,<br>><br>>
Regards<br>><br>> Rafik<br>> BlackBerry from
DOCOMO<br>><br>> -----Original Message-----<br>> From: "Terry L
Davis, P.E." <<a style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline" href="mailto:tdavis2@speakeasy.net" target="_blank">tdavis2@speakeasy.net</a>><br>> Date: Sat, 20 Mar
2010 17:32:53<br>> To: 'St phane Van Gelder'<<a style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline" href="mailto:stephane.vangelder@indom.com" target="_blank">stephane.vangelder@indom.com</a>>;<br>> 'Bruce
Tonkin'<<a style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline" href="mailto:Bruce.Tonkin@melbourneit.com.au" target="_blank">Bruce.Tonkin@melbourneit.com.au</a>><br>> Cc: 'GNSO
Council '<<a style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline" href="mailto:council@gnso.icann.org" target="_blank">council@gnso.icann.org</a>><br>> Subject: RE:
[council] FW: Proposal to form a Joint ALAC -<br>> GNSO WG "to
develop a sustainable approach to providing<br>> support to
applicants requiring assistance in applying for<br>> and operating
new gTLDs" in response to the ICANN Board<br>> Resolution 20 at the
Nairobi Meeti<br>><br>><br>> Stephane<br>><br>> My
feelings also.<br>><br>> To me, we would have to treat all
"dis-advantaged enties"<br>> alike regardless<br>> of their
nationality as there will be many entities in every<br>> country
for<br>> which the TLD cost is too high. My first question to any
of<br>> them though<br>> would be to ask if the entry cost is too
high, do you<br>> actually have the<br>> resources then to run a
TLD?<br>><br>> Feels more like a "tar pit" than a can of
worms.<br>><br>> Take care<br>> Terry<br>><br>>
-----Original Message-----<br>> From:<span> </span><a style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline" href="mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org" target="_blank">owner-council@gnso.icann.org</a><br>> [mailto:<a style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline" href="mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org" target="_blank">owner-council@gnso.icann.org</a>] On<br>
> Behalf Of St
phane Van Gelder<br>> Sent: Saturday, March 20, 2010 4:57 AM<br>>
To: Bruce Tonkin<br>> Cc: GNSO Council<br>> Subject: Re: [council]
FW: Proposal to form a Joint ALAC - GNSO WG "to<br>> develop a
sustainable approach to providing support to<br>> applicants
requiring<br>> assistance in applying for and operating new gTLDs"
in<br>> response to the ICANN<br>> Board Resolution 20 at the
Nairobi Meeti<br>><br>><br>> I had understood the motion to be
referencing financial support.<br>><br>> But to me it really
doesn't look like much of a solution. If<br>> the aim is to<br>>
help applicants with lesser means, then this motion is so<br>> vague
as to be<br>> totally moot. If the Board really has a desire to
explore the<br>> possibility of<br>> catering to applicants with
different financial profiles, I<br>> think we then<br>> spill into
the notion of categories of applicants that the<br>> GAC has
been<br>> pushing for and we then open up several new cans of
worms<br>> that can only lead<br>> to more delays.<br>><br>>
Just my personal five cents.<br>><br>> St phane<br>><br>> Le
20 mars 2010 06:41, Bruce Tonkin a crit :<br>><br>>
><br>> > Hello Chuck,<br>> ><br>> >><br>>
>> This is interesting Bruce. I had no idea that this
motion<br>> was talking<br>> >> about financial
support;<br>> ><br>> > Well the focus of much of the public
comment has been for<br>> the Board to<br>> > reduce the
application fees for developing countries.<br>> ><br>> > The
Board instead is saying that there are other ways of solving the<br>>
> issue of participation - and left it open for the community to
put<br>> > forward some proposals. It was my input (which I
also<br>> stated during<br>> > the Board meeting) - that it is
not just financial support that may<br>> > help, but also support
in terms of resources. I gave the<br>> example that<br>>
> in the past, many smaller ccTLDS used secondary nameservers<br>>
operated by<br>> > larger ccTLDS in developed countries at no
cost.<br>> ><br>> > Regards,<br>> > Bruce
Tonkin<br>> ><br>> ><br>>
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