<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Message sent on behalf of Jeff Neuman.<div><br></div><div>Stéphane<br>
<div><br><div>Début du message réexpédié :</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px;"><span style="font-family:'Helvetica'; font-size:medium; color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 1);"><b>De : </b></span><span style="font-family:'Helvetica'; font-size:medium;">"Neuman, Jeff" <<a href="mailto:Jeff.Neuman@neustar.us">Jeff.Neuman@neustar.us</a>><br></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px;"><span style="font-family:'Helvetica'; font-size:medium; color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 1);"><b>Date : </b></span><span style="font-family:'Helvetica'; font-size:medium;">20 mai 2010 13:25:43 HAEC<br></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px;"><span style="font-family:'Helvetica'; font-size:medium; color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 1);"><b>À : </b></span><span style="font-family:'Helvetica'; font-size:medium;">"<a href="mailto:'stephane.vangelder@indom.com">'stephane.vangelder@indom.com</a>'" <<a href="mailto:stephane.vangelder@indom.com">stephane.vangelder@indom.com</a>>, "<a href="mailto:'council@gnso.icann.org">'council@gnso.icann.org</a>'" <<a href="mailto:council@gnso.icann.org">council@gnso.icann.org</a>><br></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px;"><span style="font-family:'Helvetica'; font-size:medium; color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 1);"><b>Objet : </b></span><span style="font-family:'Helvetica'; font-size:medium;"><b>Rép : AW: [council] Motion from IDNG</b><br></span></div><br><div>Thanks Stephane. To clarify. Gnso council motions should not be put out for public comment.<br><br>However, most of the the time, the substance of what is behind a motion regarding policy has been put out for public comment PRIOR to the council ever crafting a motion in the first place. Normally that is done by a working group, work team, etc.<br><br>Here, the substance was never put out for comment and therefore because the substance of the motion was never put out to the public for input, it needs to be put out now.<br><br>My point is that we should have never gotten to this point where the council is looking at a motion based on on a policy that was never commented on by the public.<br><br>I hope that helps.<br>Jeffrey J. Neuman, Esq.<br>Vice President, Law & Policy<br>NeuStar, Inc.<br><a href="mailto:Jeff.Neuman@neustar.biz">Jeff.Neuman@neustar.biz</a><br><br><br><br>----- Original Message -----<br>From: Stéphane Van Gelder <stephane.vangelder@indom.com><br>To: GNSO Council <council@gnso.icann.org><br>Cc: Neuman, Jeff<br>Sent: Thu May 20 04:46:05 2010<br>Subject: Re: AW: [council] Motion from IDNG<br><br>I agree this is something we should discuss. I also have concerns, but those are more to do with my own understanding of the way the Council should act, and the challenges to that that Jeff's note brings.<br><br>Of particular interest to me is his assertion that Council should put out this motion for public comment. I do not recall ever seeing Council's ability to act on properly submitted motions (such as this one) without first putting said motion out for public comment questioned in this way. If I understand Jeff's meaning correctly, he is suggesting that Council's decision-making process be slowed down to include, at every step, the possibility for public comment. While I understand the rationale, I think that Council is tasked with leading the GNSO and that doing what I understand Jeff to be suggesting would render Council ineffective in doing so.<br><br>There is plenty of opportunity for community input built into the Council procedures as is, I don't think that our motions should be put out to public comment before we vote on them. What would that mean to our timelines anyway? That we would submit a motion, then wait 30 days for public comments, then have staff process them, then read the process report, then discuss the motion again...?<br><br>I respect Jeff's opinion greatly, and think that he is able to provide the Council with input that we should take on board, not least because of his heavy involvement in the GNSO restructure effort which has undoubtedly given him a great deal of clarity of vision into our processes. But I am wary of what I understand Jeff to be suggesting here, because I think it will effectively stall Council function.<br><br>I am copying Jeff so that he may correct me if I have understood what he is suggesting incorrectly.<br><br>Stéphane<br><br>Le 20 mai 2010 à 09:33, <KnobenW@telekom.de> a écrit :<br><br><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">I've not yet process concerns. But we should try to solve the procedural issue in general. <br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Regards<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Wolf-Ulrich<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Von: owner-council@gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] Im Auftrag von Rosette, Kristina<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Gesendet: Mittwoch, 19. Mai 2010 22:00<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">An: tim@godaddy.com; council@gnso.icann.org<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Betreff: Re: [council] Motion from IDNG<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">It is now. <br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">I have similar process concerns. I also have substance concerns.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">------Original Message------<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">From: Tim Ruiz<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">To: GNSO Council<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">ReplyTo: Tim Ruiz<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Subject: RE: [council] Motion from IDNG<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Sent: May 19, 2010 3:52 PM<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Chuck,<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Some of the Councilors, including myself, were copied on a letter from<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Jeff Neuman to the Council regarding this motion. Is that going to<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">posted to the Council list? I'd like an opportunity to discuss it and<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">understand others' thoughts on it.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Tim <br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">-------- Original Message --------<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Subject: RE: [council] Motion from IDNG<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">From: "Gomes, Chuck" <cgomes@verisign.com><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Date: Wed, May 19, 2010 2:09 pm<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">To: "Edmon Chung" <edmon@registry.asia>, <council@gnso.icann.org><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">I agree with Avri's response.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Chuck<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">-----Original Message-----<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">From: owner-council@gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">council@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of Edmon Chung<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2010 12:50 PM<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">To: council@gnso.icann.org<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Subject: RE: [council] Motion from IDNG<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Hi Kristina,<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Forwarding a note from Avri who helped write the document:<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Hi Edmon -<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">On 19 May 2010, at 10:12, Rosette, Kristina wrote:<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Is the exception extended to apply only where (a) the same entity is<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">the<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">applicant for both strings; or (b) there is a unity of source for the<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">strings by virtue of a corporate relationship or legal agreement<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">between the<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">applicant and the operator of the prior string?<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">My single person opinion.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">I think that is pretty much up to the determination of the extended<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">panel.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Obviously the second example shows that it does not need to be the same<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">entity. It would be up to the panel to figure out whether<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">------Original Message Truncated------<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><br></div></blockquote></div><br></div></body></html>