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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=984172419-03062010><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>I agree!</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=984172419-03062010><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>To achieve satisfactory results in Brussels comparable to
Nairobi requires a careful preparation and management of the debates. Any rules
must be clear and communicated to all participants when we
start.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=984172419-03062010><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>I see these 3 rules being necessary as well
sufficient: 1. Ensure a table seat for councillors, 2. Give councillors a first
right to comment, 3. Limit the discussion as it fits to the schedule
planned.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=984172419-03062010><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=984172419-03062010><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>I wouldn't exclude the public audience from active
participation (like at board meetings). To a certain extent - and that's my
experience so far - their input was useful and helpful for my
understanding.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<P><SPAN lang=de><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>Regards</FONT></SPAN> <BR><SPAN
lang=de><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>Wolf-Ulrich</FONT></SPAN> </P>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>Von:</B> Adrian Kinderis
[mailto:adrian@ausregistry.com.au] <BR><B>Gesendet:</B> Donnerstag, 3. Juni
2010 13:58<BR><B>An:</B> Knoben, Wolf-Ulrich; stephane.vangelder@indom.com;
william.drake@graduateinstitute.ch<BR><B>Cc:</B>
council@gnso.icann.org<BR><B>Betreff:</B> RE: [council] Meeting Protocol for
Brussels and beyond...<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Wolf,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">That
must have worked well at a conference with 20% the usual participation level
and no new DAG to bang on about…<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">I
think it will be very different in Brussels. Hence my original
email.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">I
would love to hear from our Chair and Vice chair on this (not you
Stephane!).<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN lang=EN-AU
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Adrian
Kinderis</SPAN></B><SPAN lang=EN-AU
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><BR><BR><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'">
KnobenW@telekom.de [mailto:KnobenW@telekom.de] <BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, June
03, 2010 9:45 PM<BR><B>To:</B> stephane.vangelder@indom.com;
william.drake@graduateinstitute.ch<BR><B>Cc:</B> Adrian Kinderis;
council@gnso.icann.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> AW: [council] Meeting Protocol for
Brussels and beyond...<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: black">Stéphane,</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">I
personally felt comfortable the way you were managing the weekend sessions in
Nairobi which means: councillors taking seats at the table and speaking first
to the various topics. Time for open discussion was still available and seemed
having been taken into schedule account. I would welcome to keep it this
way.</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P>
<P><SPAN lang=DE
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'">Regards</SPAN> <BR><SPAN
lang=DE
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'">Wolf-Ulrich</SPAN><SPAN
lang=DE> </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt"><B><SPAN lang=DE
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'">Von:</SPAN></B><SPAN
lang=DE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'">
owner-council@gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] <B>Im
Auftrag von </B>Stéphane Van Gelder<BR><B>Gesendet:</B> Mittwoch, 2. Juni
2010 08:37<BR><B>An:</B> William Drake<BR><B>Cc:</B> Adrian Kinderis;
council@gnso.icann.org Council<BR><B>Betreff:</B> Re: [council] Meeting
Protocol for Brussels and beyond...</SPAN><SPAN
lang=DE><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal>Bill's summary is spot on as far as I can remember. In
Nairobi, Adrian had pointed out the need to ensure Councillors get priority
at our weekend sessions. As acting Chair at that meeting, I tried to do just
that. My impression was that by allowing Councillors to speak first and then
opening it to other members of the community, we were able to ensure that
these sessions were productive for Councillors while still remaining open
and useful for the larger community as well. <o:p></o:p></P>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt">Stéphane<o:p></o:p></P>
<DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal>Le 2 juin 2010 à 08:20, William Drake a écrit
:<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><BR><BR><o:p></o:p></P>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal>Hi Adrian, <o:p></o:p></P>
<DIV>
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<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal>On Jun 2, 2010, at 2:24 AM, Adrian Kinderis
wrote:<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><BR><BR><o:p></o:p></P>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal>I would like to suggest that there be no questions from
the floor during these sessions.<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal>When we last had this conversation didn't we decide
against <SPAN class=apple-style-span><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">draconian
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN class=apple-style-span><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">
measures that would preclude community participation (and were hence poorly
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN class=apple-style-span><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">
received by some) and for some intermediate steps like only Councilors at
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN class=apple-style-span><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">
the table, chair gives preference to Councilor comments and right sizes the
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN class=apple-style-span><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">
time for others, etc? If people think this has not worked sufficiently,
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN class=apple-style-span><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">
wouldn't it be possible to simply have an offline conversation with the most
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN class=apple-style-span><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">
relevant parties saying please respect the following ground rules, and to
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN class=apple-style-span><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">
reiterate these at the outset of
meetings?</SPAN></SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P></DIV>
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<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal>On Jun 2, 2010, at 2:51 AM, Adrian Kinderis
wrote:<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><BR><BR><o:p></o:p></P>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal>I'll shout an extra round at the bar on Saturday night to
make up for it :)<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal>Hmm...didn't I hear something like this a few meetings
ago, didn't materialize... :-)<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal>BTW, on the matter of after hour amusement, perhaps I'll
pass along something I pointed out to NCSG, might be of interest to some
here:<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><BR>On Sun, May 30, 2010 at 1:33 PM, William
Drake<BR><<A
href="mailto:william.drake@graduateinstitute.ch">william.drake@graduateinstitute.ch</A>>
wrote:<BR><BR><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal>Hi<o:p></o:p></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P></BLOCKQUOTE>
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<P class=MsoNormal>Just an FYI for people who will be attending ICANN
Brussels, as with Paris two summers ago, this meeting overlaps with the
annual Fete de la Musique held across France, Belgium, Switzerland, etc.
Just had a look at the program <A
href="http://2010.fetedelamusique.be/recherches?tid=&tid_1=All&city=Bruxelles">http://2010.fetedelamusique.be/recherches?tid=&tid_1=All&city=Bruxelles</A> and
inter alia Saturday night 19th Toots and the Maytals is playing in the
park near the conference site.<o:p></o:p></P></BLOCKQUOTE>
<P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal>Bill<o:p></o:p></P></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV>
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