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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=671032106-04062010><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>Terry, acknowledged!</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=671032106-04062010><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>The major problems to understand "English" during my almost
30 years international career came up when UK originees took the
floor.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=671032106-04062010><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>I'm
still thinking about the reason :-)</FONT></SPAN></DIV><!-- Converted from text/rtf format --><BR>
<P><SPAN lang=de><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>Regards</FONT></SPAN> <BR><SPAN
lang=de><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>Wolf-Ulrich</FONT></SPAN> </P>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>Von:</B> Terry L Davis, P.E.
[mailto:tdavis2@speakeasy.net] <BR><B>Gesendet:</B> Freitag, 4. Juni 2010
07:44<BR><B>An:</B> 'Olga Cavalli'; 'Adrian Kinderis'<BR><B>Cc:</B> Knoben,
Wolf-Ulrich; stephane.vangelder@indom.com; william.drake@graduateinstitute.ch;
council@gnso.icann.org<BR><B>Betreff:</B> RE: [council] Meeting Protocol for
Brussels and beyond...<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Olga<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Well
stated.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">On
the “open mic”, we will need then to assure that our Council questions are not
allowed to consume the full time. I suspect that the Chair will have to
limit our discussion times some to insure that public questions are allowed
time. In other public forums I have worked (i.e. Land Use Commission and
several others) we provided a table with a signup list for the public to speak
and a timer to insure that they did not go on too long. (We were trying
avoid the 7PM to 3AM meetings and eventually we just had to close the meetings
at 11:30PM anyway so we could get some sleep on Commission
nights.)<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">And
as to English as a 2<SUP>nd</SUP> language, I’m from the southern part of the
US originally where we tend to speak more softly and slowly and with different
accents. I was in my mid-20’s on my first trip abroad for AID to the
middle east. I thought I spoke “English” but I never understood a single
word the Heathrow customs officer said to me; the woman behind me very
patiently repeated everything he said to me so I could understand what he was
asking me. So I understand at least somewhat that
issue.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Take
care<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Terry<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'">
owner-council@gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] <B>On
Behalf Of </B>Olga Cavalli<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, June 03, 2010 8:33
AM<BR><B>To:</B> Adrian Kinderis<BR><B>Cc:</B> KnobenW@telekom.de;
stephane.vangelder@indom.com; william.drake@graduateinstitute.ch;
council@gnso.icann.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [council] Meeting Protocol for
Brussels and beyond...<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt">Hi Adrian,<BR>thanks for asking
my opinion.<BR>I will make some comments on this regard from a personal
perspective as a Noncom Appointee to the GNSO, and based on my experience in
ICANN meetings and in other international and regional fora.<BR><BR>- I am in
favor of open meetings, I think there is great value in multiparticipation and
I support that. I also think that time and space should be well managed to
allow GNSO council members to use efficiently the time of the meeting as
well.<BR><BR>- About seats: I would find useful having name tags, and also for
avoiding confusion main seats should be for GNSO Council Members.<BR><BR>-
About questions and open mic, I suggest that the chair mention some time and
order management rules at the beginning of the meeting. For example questions
from other participants who are not GNSO council members could be done after
the councillors have already spoken. Also it could be useful to say how much
time each speaker has as a maximum, diversity in who speaks on the open mic
also should be encouraged. If someone has already spoken then the floor should
be given to some one else in the queue.<BR><BR>- About LANGUAGE: some of us
and many of the general public participants have English as a second language.
We all know that it is the working language of the GNSO and we accept
this.<BR>But sometimes native speakers using colloquial or local expressions,
or speaking very quicly, makes it difficult or even impossible for us to
understand what is being said.<BR>So I would suggest that our chair could also
mention this and ask for those who will speak to do it in a clear an neutral
language, if possible.<BR><BR>Thanks and regards<BR>Olga<o:p></o:p></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal>2010/6/3 Adrian Kinderis <<A
href="mailto:adrian@ausregistry.com.au">adrian@ausregistry.com.au</A>><o:p></o:p></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal
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style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d">Wolf,</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d"> </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d">That must have worked well at a
conference with 20% the usual participation level and no new DAG to bang on
about…</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d"> </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d">I think it will be very different in
Brussels. Hence my original email.</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d"> </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d">I would love to hear from our Chair
and Vice chair on this (not you Stephane!).</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
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style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d"> </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt; mso-margin-top-alt: auto"><B><SPAN lang=EN-AU
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d">Adrian
Kinderis</SPAN></B><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d"> </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> <A
href="mailto:KnobenW@telekom.de" target=_blank>KnobenW@telekom.de</A>
[mailto:<A href="mailto:KnobenW@telekom.de"
target=_blank>KnobenW@telekom.de</A>] <BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, June 03, 2010
9:45 PM<BR><B>To:</B> <A href="mailto:stephane.vangelder@indom.com"
target=_blank>stephane.vangelder@indom.com</A>; <A
href="mailto:william.drake@graduateinstitute.ch"
target=_blank>william.drake@graduateinstitute.ch</A><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><BR><B>Cc:</B> Adrian
Kinderis; <A href="mailto:council@gnso.icann.org"
target=_blank>council@gnso.icann.org</A><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Subject:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> AW: [council] Meeting Protocol for Brussels and
beyond...</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><SPAN
style="COLOR: black">Stéphane,</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue">I personally felt comfortable the way you
were managing the weekend sessions in Nairobi which means: councillors taking
seats at the table and speaking first to the various topics. Time for open
discussion was still available and seemed having been taken into schedule
account. I would welcome to keep it this way.</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"> <o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P><SPAN lang=DE
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'">Regards</SPAN> <BR><SPAN
lang=DE
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'">Wolf-Ulrich</SPAN><SPAN
lang=DE> </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal
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<P class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt; mso-margin-top-alt: auto"><B><SPAN lang=DE
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Von:</SPAN></B><SPAN lang=DE
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> <A href="mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org"
target=_blank>owner-council@gnso.icann.org</A> [mailto:<A
href="mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org"
target=_blank>owner-council@gnso.icann.org</A>] <B>Im Auftrag von
</B>Stéphane Van Gelder<BR><B>Gesendet:</B> Mittwoch, 2. Juni 2010
08:37<BR><B>An:</B> William Drake<BR><B>Cc:</B> Adrian Kinderis; <A
href="mailto:council@gnso.icann.org"
target=_blank>council@gnso.icann.org</A> Council<BR><B>Betreff:</B> Re:
[council] Meeting Protocol for Brussels and beyond...</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto">Bill's summary
is spot on as far as I can remember. In Nairobi, Adrian had pointed out the
need to ensure Councillors get priority at our weekend sessions. As acting
Chair at that meeting, I tried to do just that. My impression was that by
allowing Councillors to speak first and then opening it to other members of
the community, we were able to ensure that these sessions were productive
for Councillors while still remaining open and useful for the larger
community as well. <o:p></o:p></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"> <o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt; mso-margin-top-alt: auto">Stéphane<o:p></o:p></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto">Le 2 juin 2010
à 08:20, William Drake a écrit :<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt; mso-margin-top-alt: auto"><o:p> </o:p></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto">Hi Adrian,
<o:p></o:p></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"> <o:p></o:p></P></DIV></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto">On Jun 2,
2010, at 2:24 AM, Adrian Kinderis wrote:<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt; mso-margin-top-alt: auto"><o:p> </o:p></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto">I would like
to suggest that there be no questions from the floor during these
sessions.<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"> <o:p></o:p></P>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto">When we last
had this conversation didn't we decide against <SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt">draconian </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"> measures that would preclude
community participation (and were hence poorly </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"> received by some) and for some
intermediate steps like only Councilors at </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"> the table, chair gives preference
to Councilor comments and right sizes the </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"> time for others, etc? If people
think this has not worked sufficiently, </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"> wouldn't it be possible to simply
have an offline conversation with the most </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"> relevant parties saying please
respect the following ground rules, and to </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"> reiterate these at the outset of
meetings?</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"> <o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"> <o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto">On Jun 2,
2010, at 2:51 AM, Adrian Kinderis wrote:<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt; mso-margin-top-alt: auto"><o:p> </o:p></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto">I'll shout an
extra round at the bar on Saturday night to make up for it
:)<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"> <o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto">Hmm...didn't I
hear something like this a few meetings ago, didn't materialize...
:-)<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"> <o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto">BTW, on the
matter of after hour amusement, perhaps I'll pass along something I pointed
out to NCSG, might be of interest to some here:<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"> <o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt; mso-margin-top-alt: auto"><BR>On Sun, May 30,
2010 at 1:33 PM, William Drake<BR><<A
href="mailto:william.drake@graduateinstitute.ch"
target=_blank>william.drake@graduateinstitute.ch</A>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto">Hi<o:p></o:p></P>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="MARGIN-TOP: 5pt; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 5pt">
<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"> <o:p></o:p></P></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="MARGIN-TOP: 5pt; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 5pt">
<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto">Just an FYI
for people who will be attending ICANN Brussels, as with Paris two summers
ago, this meeting overlaps with the annual Fete de la Musique held across
France, Belgium, Switzerland, etc. Just had a look at the
program <A
href="http://2010.fetedelamusique.be/recherches?tid=&tid_1=All&city=Bruxelles"
target=_blank>http://2010.fetedelamusique.be/recherches?tid=&tid_1=All&city=Bruxelles</A> and
inter alia Saturday night 19th Toots and the Maytals is playing in the
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