<html><head><base href="x-msg://3434/"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">IMO, it's very important we take the English language barrier problem brought up by Olga very seriously.<div><br></div><div>It is a clear hindrance to people who are not as comfortable as native English speakers.</div><div><br></div><div>This has to be taken into account by meeting leaders so that these people are allowed more time to express themselves. It all goes back to having the leaders manage the queue effectively, a point on which I think we are all agreed now.</div><div><br></div><div>Stéphane<br>
<br><div><div>Le 4 juin 2010 à 08:27, <<a href="mailto:KnobenW@telekom.de">KnobenW@telekom.de</a>> a écrit :</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div lang="EN-US" vlink="purple" link="blue"><div dir="ltr" align="left"><span class="671032106-04062010"><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2">Terry, acknowledged!</font></span></div><div dir="ltr" align="left"><span class="671032106-04062010"><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2">The major problems to understand "English" during my almost 30 years international career came up when UK originees took the floor.</font></span></div><div><span class="671032106-04062010"><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2">I'm still thinking about the reason :-)</font></span></div><br><p style="font-size: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span lang="de"><font face="Courier New" size="2">Regards</font></span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><span lang="de"><font face="Courier New" size="2">Wolf-Ulrich</font></span></p><div> </div><br><blockquote dir="ltr" style="margin-right: 0px; "><div class="OutlookMessageHeader" lang="de" dir="ltr" align="left"><hr tabindex="-1"><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><b>Von:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Terry L Davis, P.E. [mailto:tdavis2@speakeasy.net]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><b>Gesendet:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Freitag, 4. Juni 2010 07:44<br><b>An:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>'Olga Cavalli'; 'Adrian Kinderis'<br><b>Cc:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Knoben, Wolf-Ulrich;<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:stephane.vangelder@indom.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">stephane.vangelder@indom.com</a>;<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:william.drake@graduateinstitute.ch" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">william.drake@graduateinstitute.ch</a>;<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:council@gnso.icann.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">council@gnso.icann.org</a><br><b>Betreff:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>RE: [council] Meeting Protocol for Brussels and beyond...<br></font><br></div><div></div><div class="Section1"><div style="font-size: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Olga<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="font-size: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="font-size: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Well stated.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="font-size: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="font-size: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">On the “open mic”, we will need then to assure that our Council questions are not allowed to consume the full time. I suspect that the Chair will have to limit our discussion times some to insure that public questions are allowed time. In other public forums I have worked (i.e. Land Use Commission and several others) we provided a table with a signup list for the public to speak and a timer to insure that they did not go on too long. (We were trying avoid the 7PM to 3AM meetings and eventually we just had to close the meetings at 11:30PM anyway so we could get some sleep on Commission nights.)<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="font-size: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="font-size: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">And as to English as a 2<sup>nd</sup><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>language, I’m from the southern part of the US originally where we tend to speak more softly and slowly and with different accents. I was in my mid-20’s on my first trip abroad for AID to the middle east. I thought I spoke “English” but I never understood a single word the Heathrow customs officer said to me; the woman behind me very patiently repeated everything he said to me so I could understand what he was asking me. So I understand at least somewhat that issue.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="font-size: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="font-size: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Take care<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="font-size: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Terry<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="font-size: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="border-right-width: medium; border-right-style: none; border-right-color: initial; padding-right: 0in; border-top-color: rgb(181, 196, 223); border-top-width: 1pt; border-top-style: solid; padding-left: 0in; padding-bottom: 0in; border-left-width: medium; border-left-style: none; border-left-color: initial; padding-top: 3pt; border-bottom-width: medium; border-bottom-style: none; border-bottom-color: initial; "><div style="font-size: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; "><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; ">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; "><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">owner-council@gnso.icann.org</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Olga Cavalli<br><b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Thursday, June 03, 2010 8:33 AM<br><b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Adrian Kinderis<br><b>Cc:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:KnobenW@telekom.de" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">KnobenW@telekom.de</a>;<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:stephane.vangelder@indom.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">stephane.vangelder@indom.com</a>;<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:william.drake@graduateinstitute.ch" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">william.drake@graduateinstitute.ch</a>;<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:council@gnso.icann.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">council@gnso.icann.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [council] Meeting Protocol for Brussels and beyond...<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div style="font-size: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; "><o:p> </o:p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="font-size: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 12pt; ">Hi Adrian,<br>thanks for asking my opinion.<br>I will make some comments on this regard from a personal perspective as a Noncom Appointee to the GNSO, and based on my experience in ICANN meetings and in other international and regional fora.<br><br>- I am in favor of open meetings, I think there is great value in multiparticipation and I support that. I also think that time and space should be well managed to allow GNSO council members to use efficiently the time of the meeting as well.<br><br>- About seats: I would find useful having name tags, and also for avoiding confusion main seats should be for GNSO Council Members.<br><br>- About questions and open mic, I suggest that the chair mention some time and order management rules at the beginning of the meeting. For example questions from other participants who are not GNSO council members could be done after the councillors have already spoken. Also it could be useful to say how much time each speaker has as a maximum, diversity in who speaks on the open mic also should be encouraged. If someone has already spoken then the floor should be given to some one else in the queue.<br><br>- About LANGUAGE: some of us and many of the general public participants have English as a second language. We all know that it is the working language of the GNSO and we accept this.<br>But sometimes native speakers using colloquial or local expressions, or speaking very quicly, makes it difficult or even impossible for us to understand what is being said.<br>So I would suggest that our chair could also mention this and ask for those who will speak to do it in a clear an neutral language, if possible.<br><br>Thanks and regards<br>Olga<o:p></o:p></p><div><div style="font-size: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; ">2010/6/3 Adrian Kinderis <<a href="mailto:adrian@ausregistry.com.au" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">adrian@ausregistry.com.au</a>><o:p></o:p></div><div><div><div style="font-size: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Wolf,</span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="font-size: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="font-size: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">That must have worked well at a conference with 20% the usual participation level and no new DAG to bang on about…</span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="font-size: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="font-size: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">I think it will be very different in Brussels. Hence my original email.</span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="font-size: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="font-size: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">I would love to hear from our Chair and Vice chair on this (not you Stephane!).</span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="font-size: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span><o:p></o:p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="font-size: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 12pt; "><b><span lang="EN-AU" style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Adrian Kinderis</span></b><o:p></o:p></p></div><div style="font-size: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span><o:p></o:p></div><div><div style="border-right-width: medium; border-right-style: none; border-right-color: initial; padding-right: 0in; border-top-color: windowtext; border-top-width: 1pt; border-top-style: solid; padding-left: 0in; padding-bottom: 0in; border-left-width: medium; border-left-style: none; border-left-color: initial; padding-top: 3pt; border-bottom-width: medium; border-bottom-style: none; border-bottom-color: initial; "><div style="font-size: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; "><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; ">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; "><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:KnobenW@telekom.de" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">KnobenW@telekom.de</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[mailto:<a href="mailto:KnobenW@telekom.de" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">KnobenW@telekom.de</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Thursday, June 03, 2010 9:45 PM<br><b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:stephane.vangelder@indom.com" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">stephane.vangelder@indom.com</a>;<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:william.drake@graduateinstitute.ch" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">william.drake@graduateinstitute.ch</a><o:p></o:p></span></div><div><div style="font-size: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; "><br><b>Cc:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Adrian Kinderis;<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:council@gnso.icann.org" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">council@gnso.icann.org</a><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div style="font-size: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; "><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; ">Subject:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; "><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>AW: [council] Meeting Protocol for Brussels and beyond...</span><o:p></o:p></div></div></div><div><div><div style="font-size: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; "> <o:p></o:p></div><div style="font-size: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; "><span style="color: black; ">Stéphane,</span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="font-size: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: blue; ">I personally felt comfortable the way you were managing the weekend sessions in Nairobi which means: councillors taking seats at the table and speaking first to the various topics. Time for open discussion was still available and seemed having been taken into schedule account. I would welcome to keep it this way.</span><o:p></o:p></div><div><div style="font-size: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; "> <o:p></o:p></div></div><div style="font-size: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; "> <o:p></o:p></div><p style="font-size: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span lang="DE" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; ">Regards</span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><span lang="DE" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; ">Wolf-Ulrich</span><span lang="DE"></span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div style="font-size: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; "> <o:p></o:p></div></div><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt; margin-right: 0in; "><div style="font-size: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; "> <o:p></o:p></div><div class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="font-size: 12pt; margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; text-align: center; "><span lang="DE"><hr align="center" width="100%" size="3"></span></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="font-size: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 12pt; "><b><span lang="DE" style="font-size: 10pt; ">Von:</span></b><span lang="DE" style="font-size: 10pt; "><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">owner-council@gnso.icann.org</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[mailto:<a href="mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">owner-council@gnso.icann.org</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>Im Auftrag von<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Stéphane Van Gelder<br><b>Gesendet:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Mittwoch, 2. Juni 2010 08:37<br><b>An:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>William Drake<br><b>Cc:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Adrian Kinderis;<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:council@gnso.icann.org" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">council@gnso.icann.org</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Council<br><b>Betreff:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [council] Meeting Protocol for Brussels and beyond...</span><o:p></o:p></p><div style="font-size: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; ">Bill's summary is spot on as far as I can remember. In Nairobi, Adrian had pointed out the need to ensure Councillors get priority at our weekend sessions. As acting Chair at that meeting, I tried to do just that. My impression was that by allowing Councillors to speak first and then opening it to other members of the community, we were able to ensure that these sessions were productive for Councillors while still remaining open and useful for the larger community as well.<o:p></o:p></div><div><div style="font-size: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; "> <o:p></o:p></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="font-size: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 12pt; ">Stéphane<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div style="font-size: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; ">Le 2 juin 2010 à 08:20, William Drake a écrit :<o:p></o:p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="font-size: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 12pt; "><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div style="font-size: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; ">Hi Adrian,<o:p></o:p></div><div><div><div><div><div style="font-size: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; "> <o:p></o:p></div></div></div><div><div style="font-size: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; ">On Jun 2, 2010, at 2:24 AM, Adrian Kinderis wrote:<o:p></o:p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="font-size: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 12pt; "><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div style="font-size: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; ">I would like to suggest that there be no questions from the floor during these sessions.<o:p></o:p></div></div><div style="font-size: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; "> <o:p></o:p></div><div><div style="font-size: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; ">When we last had this conversation didn't we decide against <span style="font-size: 11pt; ">draconian</span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="font-size: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; "> measures that would preclude community participation (and were hence poorly</span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="font-size: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; "> received by some) and for some intermediate steps like only Councilors at</span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="font-size: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; "> the table, chair gives preference to Councilor comments and right sizes the</span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="font-size: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; "> time for others, etc? If people think this has not worked sufficiently,</span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="font-size: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; "> wouldn't it be possible to simply have an offline conversation with the most</span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="font-size: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; "> relevant parties saying please respect the following ground rules, and to</span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="font-size: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; "> reiterate these at the outset of meetings?</span><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="font-size: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; "> <o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="font-size: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; "> <o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div><div><div style="font-size: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; ">On Jun 2, 2010, at 2:51 AM, Adrian Kinderis wrote:<o:p></o:p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="font-size: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 12pt; "><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div style="font-size: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; ">I'll shout an extra round at the bar on Saturday night to make up for it :)<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="font-size: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; "> <o:p></o:p></div></div><div style="font-size: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; ">Hmm...didn't I hear something like this a few meetings ago, didn't materialize... :-)<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="font-size: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; "> <o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="font-size: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; ">BTW, on the matter of after hour amusement, perhaps I'll pass along something I pointed out to NCSG, might be of interest to some here:<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="font-size: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; "> <o:p></o:p></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="font-size: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 12pt; "><br>On Sun, May 30, 2010 at 1:33 PM, William Drake<br><<a href="mailto:william.drake@graduateinstitute.ch" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">william.drake@graduateinstitute.ch</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div style="font-size: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; ">Hi<o:p></o:p></div><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt; "><div style="font-size: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; "> <o:p></o:p></div></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt; "><div style="font-size: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; ">Just an FYI for people who will be attending ICANN Brussels, as with Paris two summers ago, this meeting overlaps with the annual Fete de la Musique held across France, Belgium, Switzerland, etc. Just had a look at the program <a href="http://2010.fetedelamusique.be/recherches?tid=&tid_1=All&city=Bruxelles" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://2010.fetedelamusique.be/recherches?tid=&tid_1=All&city=Bruxelles</a> and inter alia Saturday night 19th Toots and the Maytals is playing in the park near the conference site.<o:p></o:p></div></blockquote><div style="font-size: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; "> <o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="font-size: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; ">Bill<o:p></o:p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div style="font-size: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; "> <o:p></o:p></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div></div></div><div style="font-size: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div></blockquote></div></span></blockquote></div><br></div></body></html>