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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Wolf,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Please note that delaying action on the AoC RT endorsement
process would mean that applicants requesting GNSO endorsement would not be assured
of the GNSO process until after our meeting on 23 June. Also note that
the Call for Applicants went out on June 1<sup>st</sup> and the deadline is
July 15<sup>th</sup>. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I know you are aware of this and that this may be out of your
control, but one of the reasons we tried to have someone from every SG on the
DT was to facilitate communication of SGs throughout the development of the
process with the hope that there would be good buy-in along the way.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Chuck<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>
owner-council@gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] <b>On Behalf
Of </b>KnobenW@telekom.de<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, June 08, 2010 4:41 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> MWong@piercelaw.edu; council@gnso.icann.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> AW: [council] FW: [soac-discussion] FW: Communication with ACSO
on the next RTs<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>I fully support this
approach.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>I'd also like to
remind you of the council motion unanimously passed on May 20 regarding the RT
slots requested for the GNSO.<em><span style='font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> </span></em>I
don't see budget limitations as a convincing instrument used at this high
level.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Needless to say that
the CSG provides combined expertise in technical, operational and legal
respect of security aspects of the DNS system forcing to be
represented.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>In addition I'd like
to give you notice that ongoing CSG internal discussion on the GNSO endorsement
process for AOC RTs may request some more time before being able to support the
related motion.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><span lang=DE style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>Regards</span>
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<span lang=DE style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>Wolf-Ulrich</span><span
lang=DE> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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12.0pt;margin-left:0in'><b><span lang=DE style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Von:</span></b><span lang=DE style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> owner-council@gnso.icann.org
[mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] <b>Im Auftrag von </b>Mary Wong<br>
<b>Gesendet:</b> Dienstag, 8. Juni 2010 21:25<br>
<b>An:</b> council@gnso.icann.org<br>
<b>Betreff:</b> RE: [council] FW: [soac-discussion] FW: Communication with ACSO
on the next RTs<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>I agree with
Kristina that it's an important issue on which there is a good deal of experience
within the GNSO.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>I note that Janis'
email on this issue mentioned "efficiency, credibility of the process,
[and] budgetary limitations" as reasons for the numbers given for each
upcoming RT. I'm not sure that an additional 2 GNSO reps will be detrimental to
efficiency, and I should think it would actually add to the credibility of the
process - which leaves "budgetary limitations" as the remaining
(relatively unconvincing) reason.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>In addition, and
although it's true that it's suggested they each get only 1 rep on the WHOIS
RT, ccNSO and ALAC each get 2 on the SS RT. I am highly reluctant to get into a
"us vs. them" or "who 'deserves' more slots" pre-selection
contest amongst the ACSOs, but it seems to me as though this type of artificial
limitation of GNSO slots - as opposed to the suggested default of 4 per RT -
will inevitably lead us there.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Chuck and others
more experienced at this type of thing, will it be such a bad strategy to ask
for 4 GNSO slots (1 per SG) for each RT, but if the Selectors feel (strongly)
differently, they should give us better reasons for, say, limiting the SS RT
besides the general ones quoted by Janis? <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>That said, I'd hate
to not get 4 GNSO reps at all for any RT ..... :(<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Cheers<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Mary<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:purple'>Mary W
S Wong</span></strong><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Professor of Law
& Chair, Graduate IP Programs<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Franklin Pierce Law
Center<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Two White Street<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Concord, NH 03301<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>USA<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Email: <a
href="mailto:mwong@piercelaw.edu">mwong@piercelaw.edu</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Phone:
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Webpage: <a
href="http://www.piercelaw.edu/marywong/index.php">http://www.piercelaw.edu/marywong/index.php</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Selected
writings available on the Social Science Research Network (SSRN) at: <a
href="http://ssrn.com/author=437584">http://ssrn.com/author=437584</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><strong><span
style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From: </span></strong><span
style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span
style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>"Rosette,
Kristina" <krosette@cov.com><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span
style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>"Gomes,
Chuck" <cgomes@verisign.com>, <icann@rodenbaugh.com>,
<council@gnso.icann.org><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Date: </span></strong><span
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style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>6/8/2010 3:07 PM<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><strong><span
style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Subject: </span></strong><span
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span
style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>RE: [council] FW:
[soac-discussion] FW: Communication with ACSO on the next RTs<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'>Unfortunately,
I don't have time for anything more elaborate or detailed and won't until
early next week. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:
12.0pt;margin-left:0in'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Gomes, Chuck
[mailto:cgomes@verisign.com] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, June 08, 2010 3:00 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Rosette, Kristina; icann@rodenbaugh.com; council@gnso.icann.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [council] FW: [soac-discussion] FW: Communication with
ACSO on the next RTs</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I was hoping for something a little more convincing to
increase the chances of convincing Janis. I think we have a pretty good
argument for Whois.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Chuck<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Rosette, Kristina
[mailto:krosette@cov.com] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, June 08, 2010 1:04 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Gomes, Chuck; icann@rodenbaugh.com; council@gnso.icann.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [council] FW: [soac-discussion] FW: Communication with
ACSO on the next RTs<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'>Important
issue, extensive expertise within SGs, not as convinced as you are that there
aren't philosophical variances among the SGs. On a more practical note,
we've all already got too much going on without having to spend extra time
determining which SG person goes forward. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><o:p> </o:p></p>
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text-align:center'>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:
12.0pt;margin-left:0in'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>
owner-council@gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] <b>On
Behalf Of </b>Gomes, Chuck<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, June 08, 2010 12:58 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> icann@rodenbaugh.com; council@gnso.icann.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [council] FW: [soac-discussion] FW: Communication with
ACSO on the next RTs</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Mike/Kristina,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Can you provide me some rationale to support 4 on the SSR RT?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Chuck<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>
owner-council@gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] <b>On
Behalf Of </b>Mike Rodenbaugh<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, June 08, 2010 12:51 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> council@gnso.icann.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [council] FW: [soac-discussion] FW: Communication with
ACSO on the next RTs<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Agree w. Kristina.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Mike
Rodenbaugh<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>RODENBAUGH
LAW<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>tel/fax:
+1 (415) 738-8087<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><a
href="http://rodenbaugh.com/">http://rodenbaugh.com</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
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<div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></b></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>
owner-council@gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] <b>On
Behalf Of </b>Rosette, Kristina<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, June 08, 2010 9:22 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Gomes, Chuck; KnobenW@telekom.de; MWong@piercelaw.edu<br>
<b>Cc:</b> council@gnso.icann.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [council] FW: [soac-discussion] FW: Communication with
ACSO on the next RTs<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'>Agree
w/r/t/ Whois and disagree w/r/t SSR.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'>Don't believe
we should be negotiating against ourselves by agreeing to two. Also, it seems
to me that the ramifications of the selectors rejecting GNSO input as to
participant number are potentially significant. In particular, the
irony of doing so while the accountability and transparency review is
underway is pretty amazing. I think that would play pretty well
(against ICANN, that is) in a number of important fora.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt'>
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text-align:center'>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:
12.0pt;margin-left:0in'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Gomes, Chuck
[mailto:cgomes@verisign.com] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, June 08, 2010 8:33 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> KnobenW@telekom.de; Rosette, Kristina; MWong@piercelaw.edu<br>
<b>Cc:</b> council@gnso.icann.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [council] FW: [soac-discussion] FW: Communication with
ACSO on the next RTs</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>So far, I think everyone who has commented supports
Tim’s suggestion that there should be four GNSO members on the Whois RT
and most seem to support a default of one rep per SG for all RTs. I
personally think that we might maximize our chances of getting four on the
Whois RT if we concede to having two on the SSR RT and also think that it is
fairly easy to make a strong case for that. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><u><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>The Case for Four on the Whois RT<o:p></o:p></span></u></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Whereas Internet users across the whole ICANN community are
impacted by Whois policy, I don’t think there is any doubt that GNSO
constituents are impacted the most. It is gTLD registrants whose data
is displayed and used. It is gTLD contracted parties who are required
to implement Whois and who best understand the customer service and
operational issues related to Whois offerings. It is commercial gTLD registrants
whose businesses are affected when IP rights are violated. It is
noncommercial users who have most often pointed out the need for privacy of
Whois information and noncommercial organizations that are impacted in
similar ways as commercial businesses.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>In addition, because of the GNSO’s long and belabored
Whois policy development history and varied Whois operational offerings, the
GNSO has the best source of Whois experts from various points of view.
There is also good evidence that each SG provides a unique area of expertise
and represents different points of view with regard to Whois policy.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><u><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>The Case for Two on the SSR RT</span></u><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I believe that the SSR RT requires a higher degree of
technical expertise than policy expertise and is less dependent on SG areas
of focus. I also believe that the GNSO community as well as the ICANN
community is much more united in terms of SSR issues and hence representation
from different sectors may not necessarily produce significantly different
contributions, especially when compared to a topic like Whois.
Particularly with regard to the GNSO, if each SG endorses one candidate for
the SSR team as proposed, I suspect that the SSR RT would not be negatively
impacted if the Selectors choose a RrSG candidate over a RySG candidate or a
NCSG candidate over a CSG candidate or any other comparison because all of us
will likely be putting forth strong security experts.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>The SSR RT may be an area where external experts may be
especially helpful. By having fewer reps from SOs and ACs, space may be
available for a few more experts.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><u><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>My Conclusion<o:p></o:p></span></u></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I suggest that I make the case for four GNSO reps on the Whois
RT and agree to two on the SSR team. This might set a good precedent
for asking for four on the New gTLD RT because that, like Whois, is a
big GNSO issue and one that there are clear variances in points of view from
each SG.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Chuck<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>
owner-council@gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] <b>On
Behalf Of </b>KnobenW@telekom.de<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, June 08, 2010 7:46 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> krosette@cov.com; MWong@piercelaw.edu<br>
<b>Cc:</b> council@gnso.icann.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> AW: [council] FW: [soac-discussion] FW: Communication with
ACSO on the next RTs<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>agreed!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p><span lang=DE style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>Regards</span><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <br>
</span><span lang=DE style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>Wolf-Ulrich</span><span
lang=DE style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> </span><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt'>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<div class=MsoNormal align=center style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;
text-align:center'><span lang=DE style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>
<hr size=2 width="100%" align=center>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:
12.0pt;margin-left:0in'><b><span lang=DE style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Von:</span></b><span lang=DE style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> owner-council@gnso.icann.org
[mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] <b>Im Auftrag von </b>Rosette, Kristina<br>
<b>Gesendet:</b> Montag, 7. Juni 2010 19:46<br>
<b>An:</b> Mary Wong<br>
<b>Cc:</b> GNSO Council<br>
<b>Betreff:</b> RE: [council] FW: [soac-discussion] FW: Communication with
ACSO on the next RTs<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>+1<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt'>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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text-align:center'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:
12.0pt;margin-left:0in'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>
owner-council@gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] <b>On
Behalf Of </b>Mary Wong<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, June 07, 2010 1:43 PM<br>
<b>Cc:</b> GNSO Council<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [council] FW: [soac-discussion] FW: Communication with
ACSO on the next RTs<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>I agree with Tim's
arguments and suggestion for a response, and in addition support Bill's
suggestion that all RTs start with a default distribution of 1 rep per SG
from the GNSO (with deviations being explained and justified according to
each RT scope/topic).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Cheers<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Mary<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><strong><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:purple'>Mary
W S Wong</span></strong><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Professor of Law
& Chair, Graduate IP Programs<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Franklin Pierce
Law Center<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Two White Street<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Concord, NH 03301<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>USA<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Email: <a
href="mailto:mwong@piercelaw.edu">mwong@piercelaw.edu</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Phone:
1-603-513-5143<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Webpage: <a
href="http://www.piercelaw.edu/marywong/index.php">http://www.piercelaw.edu/marywong/index.php</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Selected
writings available on the Social Science Research Network (SSRN) at: <a
href="http://ssrn.com/author=437584">http://ssrn.com/author=437584</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'><br>
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>>> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><strong><span
style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From: </span></strong><span
style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span
style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>William Drake
<william.drake@graduateinstitute.ch><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Hi<br>
<br>
It would be interesting to hear the rationale for reverting to the original
proposal of tiny unrepresentative RTs. In any event, I strongly agree
with Tim that there really has to be four for WHOIS, the perspectives of
the SGs are just too variable for any two to represent the others, and the
whole process could become a focal point of controversy. Same goes
for the pending RT on competition and consumer issues. As for
security, I agree that two may be relatively less problematic, but only
relatively... it's more difficult to judge ex ante what level of agreement
there is or isn't here across some SGs on the various issues. <br>
<br>
It'd be a lot easier if they'd just default to four across the board in
order to ensure community representation and diverse skill sets at the
table, rather than turning RT size into a needless source of angst.<br>
<br>
Bill<br>
<br>
<br>
On Jun 7, 2010, at 4:26 PM, Tim Ruiz wrote:<br>
<br>
<span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>> <br>
> I'm not too concerned about having only two seats on the Security RT,<br>
> but strongly oppose accepting only two seats on the Whois. <br>
> <br>
> It is perfectly reasonable to allow one seat each to the SSAC, GAC,
and<br>
> ASO. But I think it's totally implausible to assume a well represented<br>
> RT with only two for the GNSO and one each for the ccNSO and the ALAC.
I<br>
> believe we make a very strong statement insisting that each of those
are<br>
> doubled - four for the GNSO (one for each SG, no less), two each for
the<br>
> ccNSO and the ALAC due to the size of their memberships. That would
make<br>
> the RT 14 members, and that is certainly workable and more realistic.<br>
> <br>
> I realize the ALAC and ccNSO can defend themselves, but given the<br>
> selectors concerns over the team size I think we should respond with a<br>
> total picture of what we think the RT should look like and why.<br>
> <br>
> Tim<br>
> <br>
> -------- Original Message --------<br>
> Subject: [council] FW: [soac-discussion] FW: Communication with ACSO
on<br>
> the next RTs<br>
> From: "Gomes, Chuck" <cgomes@verisign.com><br>
> Date: Fri, June 04, 2010 1:44 pm<br>
> To: <council@gnso.icann.org><br>
> <br>
> Please note what the AoC Selectors have proposed for the next two RTs.
<br>
> Please provide any comments you have on this list. Time
permitting, we<br>
> will also briefly discuss this in meeting on 10 June.<br>
> <br>
> Chuck<br>
> <br>
> From: owner-soac-discussion@icann.org<br>
> [mailto:owner-soac-discussion@icann.org] On Behalf Of Janis Karklins<br>
> Sent: Friday, June 04, 2010 1:50 PM<br>
> To: soac-discussion@icann.org<br>
> Cc: 'Rod Beckstrom'; 'Donna Austin'; 'Olof Nordling'<br>
> Subject: [soac-discussion] FW: Communication with ACSO on the next RTs<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> Dear colleagues<br>
> <br>
> On behalf of Selectors I would like to propose that the size and<br>
> composition of the two next review teams would be as follows:<br>
> <br>
>
Security <br>
> WHOIS<br>
> GAC, including the
Chair
2
1<br>
>
GNSO
2
<br>
> 2<br>
> ccNSO
2
<br>
> 1<br>
>
ALAC
2
<br>
> 1<br>
>
SSAC
1
<br>
> 1<br>
>
RSSAC
1<br>
>
ASO
1
<br>
>
1<br>
> Independent
expert
1-2
2 (law<br>
> enforcement/privacy experts)<br>
> CEO
1
<br>
>
1<br>
>
13-14 <br>
>
10<br>
> <br>
> I understand that your initial suggestions/requests were not fully<br>
> accommodated, but for the sake of efficiency, credibility of the<br>
> process, budgetary limitations Selectors have developed this proposal.<br>
> If we would take into account all wishes, the RT size would be over 20<br>
> which in Selectors’ view is not credible option.<br>
> <br>
> I hope that proposal will be equally unacceptable for everybody. I
would<br>
> appreciate your comments or expression of non-objection in coming
week.<br>
> Only after assessment of the violence of your opposition the Selectors<br>
> will make their proposal (in present form or modified) public.<br>
> <br>
> Best regards<br>
> JK<br>
> <br>
> <br>
<br>
***********************************************************<br>
William J. Drake<br>
Senior Associate<br>
Centre for International Governance<br>
Graduate Institute of International and<br>
Development Studies<br>
Geneva, Switzerland<br>
william.drake@graduateinstitute.ch<br>
www.graduateinstitute.ch/cig/drake.html<br>
www.linkedin.com/in/williamjdrake<br>
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