<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Hi<div><br><div><div>On Jun 8, 2010, at 9:25 PM, Mary Wong wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; font-family: Arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-size: medium; "><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple" style="margin-top: 4px; margin-right: 4px; margin-bottom: 1px; margin-left: 4px; font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal Tahoma; "><div>I agree with Kristina that it's an important issue on which there is a good deal of experience within the GNSO.</div><div> </div><div>I note that Janis' email on this issue mentioned "efficiency, credibility of the process, [and] budgetary limitations" as reasons for the numbers given for each upcoming RT. I'm not sure that an additional 2 GNSO reps will be detrimental to efficiency, and I should think it would actually add to the credibility of the process - which leaves "budgetary limitations" as the remaining (relatively unconvincing) reason.</div></div></span></blockquote><div><br></div>It would be interesting to know if they're implying that group size generally and having 4 GNSOers in particular has negatively impacted the efficiency and credibility of the ATRT. That doesn't fit with my understanding of the process.<br><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; font-family: Arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-size: medium; "><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple" style="margin-top: 4px; margin-right: 4px; margin-bottom: 1px; margin-left: 4px; font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal Tahoma; "><div> </div><div>In addition, and although it's true that it's suggested they each get only 1 rep on the WHOIS RT, ccNSO and ALAC each get 2 on the SS RT. I am highly reluctant to get into a "us vs. them" or "who 'deserves' more slots" pre-selection contest amongst the ACSOs, but it seems to me as though this type of artificial limitation of GNSO slots - as opposed to the suggested default of 4 per RT - will inevitably lead us there.</div></div></span></blockquote><div><br></div>Artificially creating scarce positional goods for people to fight over is certainly an interesting approach to institutional design in a "nimble" organization...<br><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; font-family: Arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-size: medium; "><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple" style="margin-top: 4px; margin-right: 4px; margin-bottom: 1px; margin-left: 4px; font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal Tahoma; "><div> </div><div>Chuck and others more experienced at this type of thing, will it be such a bad strategy to ask for 4 GNSO slots (1 per SG) for each RT, but if the Selectors feel (strongly) differently, they should give us better reasons for, say, limiting the SS RT besides the general ones quoted by Janis?</div></div></span></blockquote><div><br></div>I take Chuck's points on SSR that there's comparatively less variation in perspective, that more slots for independent experts might be sensible, and that if we end up at 2 we can probably make it work. Nevertheless, I agree with Kristina and others that we shouldn't start by accepting 2. Unless in exchange we can lock in 4 on each of the others as the model.</div><div><br></div><div>Cheers,</div><div><br></div><div>Bill<br><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; font-family: Arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-size: medium; "><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple" style="margin-top: 4px; margin-right: 4px; margin-bottom: 1px; margin-left: 4px; font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal Tahoma; "><div><br><br>>>></div><table border="0" bgcolor="#f3f3f3" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 15px; font-size: 1em; "><tbody><tr><td><div style="border-left-color: rgb(5, 5, 5); border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 7px; "><table bgcolor="#f3f3f3" style="font: normal normal normal 8pt/normal Tahoma; "><tbody><tr valign="top"><td><strong>From:</strong></td><td>"Rosette, Kristina" <<a href="mailto:krosette@cov.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">krosette@cov.com</a>></td></tr><tr valign="top"><td><strong>To:</strong></td><td>"Gomes, Chuck" <<a href="mailto:cgomes@verisign.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">cgomes@verisign.com</a>>, <<a href="mailto:icann@rodenbaugh.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">icann@rodenbaugh.com</a>>, <<a href="mailto:council@gnso.icann.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">council@gnso.icann.org</a>></td></tr><tr valign="top"><td><strong>Date:</strong></td><td>6/8/2010 3:07 PM</td></tr><tr valign="top"><td><strong>Subject:</strong></td><td>RE: [council] FW: [soac-discussion] FW: Communication with ACSO on the next RTs</td></tr></tbody></table><div dir="ltr" align="left"><span class="052300219-08062010"><font color="#0000ff" size="2" face="Arial">Unfortunately, I don't have time for anything more elaborate or detailed and won't until early next week. </font></span></div><br><blockquote dir="ltr" style="margin-right: 0px; "><div dir="ltr" lang="en-us" class="OutlookMessageHeader" align="left"><hr tabindex="-1"><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><b>From:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Gomes, Chuck [mailto:cgomes@verisign.com]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Tuesday, June 08, 2010 3:00 PM<br><b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Rosette, Kristina;<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:icann@rodenbaugh.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">icann@rodenbaugh.com</a>;<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:council@gnso.icann.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">council@gnso.icann.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>RE: [council] FW: [soac-discussion] FW: Communication with ACSO on the next RTs<br></font><br></div><div></div><div class="Section1" style="page: Section1; "><p class="MsoNormal" style="font-size: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-size: 11pt; ">I was hoping for something a little more convincing to increase the chances of convincing Janis. I think we have a pretty good argument for Whois.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="font-size: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-size: 11pt; ">Chuck<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="font-size: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-size: 11pt; "><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div style="border-bottom-width: medium; border-bottom-style: none; border-bottom-color: initial; border-left-color: blue; border-left-width: 1.5pt; border-left-style: solid; padding-bottom: 0in; padding-left: 4pt; padding-right: 0in; border-top-width: medium; border-top-style: none; border-top-color: initial; border-right-width: medium; border-right-style: none; border-right-color: initial; padding-top: 0in; "><div><div style="border-bottom-width: medium; border-bottom-style: none; border-bottom-color: initial; border-left-width: medium; border-left-style: none; border-left-color: initial; padding-bottom: 0in; padding-left: 0in; padding-right: 0in; border-top-color: rgb(181, 196, 223); border-top-width: 1pt; border-top-style: solid; border-right-width: medium; border-right-style: none; border-right-color: initial; padding-top: 3pt; "><div style="font-size: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; "><b><span style="font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; ">From:</span></b><span style="font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; "><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Rosette, Kristina [mailto:krosette@cov.com]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Tuesday, June 08, 2010 1:04 PM<br><b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Gomes, Chuck;<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:icann@rodenbaugh.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">icann@rodenbaugh.com</a>;<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:council@gnso.icann.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">council@gnso.icann.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>RE: [council] FW: [soac-discussion] FW: Communication with ACSO on the next RTs<o:p></o:p></span></div></div></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="font-size: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></p><div style="font-size: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; "><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: blue; font-size: 10pt; ">Important issue, extensive expertise within SGs, not as convinced as you are that there aren't philosophical variances among the SGs. On a more practical note, we've all already got too much going on without having to spend extra time determining which SG person goes forward. </span><o:p></o:p></div><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt; margin-right: 0in; "><div style="font-size: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; "><o:p> </o:p></div><div class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="font-size: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; text-align: center; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; "><hr align="center" size="2" width="100%"></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="font-size: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-bottom: 12pt; "><b><span style="font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; ">From:</span></b><span style="font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; "><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">owner-council@gnso.icann.org</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Gomes, Chuck<br><b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Tuesday, June 08, 2010 12:58 PM<br><b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:icann@rodenbaugh.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">icann@rodenbaugh.com</a>;<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:council@gnso.icann.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">council@gnso.icann.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>RE: [council] FW: [soac-discussion] FW: Communication with ACSO on the next RTs</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="font-size: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-size: 11pt; ">Mike/Kristina,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="font-size: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-size: 11pt; ">Can you provide me some rationale to support 4 on the SSR RT?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="font-size: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-size: 11pt; ">Chuck<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="font-size: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-size: 11pt; "><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div style="border-bottom-width: medium; border-bottom-style: none; border-bottom-color: initial; border-left-color: blue; border-left-width: 1.5pt; border-left-style: solid; padding-bottom: 0in; padding-left: 4pt; padding-right: 0in; border-top-width: medium; border-top-style: none; border-top-color: initial; border-right-width: medium; border-right-style: none; border-right-color: initial; padding-top: 0in; "><div><div style="border-bottom-width: medium; border-bottom-style: none; border-bottom-color: initial; border-left-width: medium; border-left-style: none; border-left-color: initial; padding-bottom: 0in; padding-left: 0in; padding-right: 0in; border-top-color: rgb(181, 196, 223); border-top-width: 1pt; border-top-style: solid; border-right-width: medium; border-right-style: none; border-right-color: initial; padding-top: 3pt; "><div style="font-size: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; "><b><span style="font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; ">From:</span></b><span style="font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; "><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">owner-council@gnso.icann.org</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Mike Rodenbaugh<br><b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Tuesday, June 08, 2010 12:51 PM<br><b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:council@gnso.icann.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">council@gnso.icann.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>RE: [council] FW: [soac-discussion] FW: Communication with ACSO on the next RTs<o:p></o:p></span></div></div></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="font-size: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="font-size: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-size: 11pt; ">Agree w. Kristina.<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div style="font-size: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; "><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-size: 11pt; ">Mike Rodenbaugh<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="font-size: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; "><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-size: 11pt; ">RODENBAUGH LAW<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="font-size: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; "><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-size: 11pt; ">tel/fax: +1 (415) 738-8087<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="font-size: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; "><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-size: 11pt; "><a href="http://rodenbaugh.com/" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://rodenbaugh.com</a><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="border-bottom-width: medium; border-bottom-style: none; border-bottom-color: initial; border-left-width: medium; border-left-style: none; border-left-color: initial; padding-bottom: 0in; padding-left: 0in; padding-right: 0in; border-top-color: rgb(181, 196, 223); border-top-width: 1pt; border-top-style: solid; border-right-width: medium; border-right-style: none; border-right-color: initial; padding-top: 3pt; "><div style="font-size: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; "><b><span style="font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; "><o:p> </o:p></span></b></div><div style="font-size: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; "><b><span style="font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; ">From:</span></b><span style="font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; "><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">owner-council@gnso.icann.org</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Rosette, Kristina<br><b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Tuesday, June 08, 2010 9:22 AM<br><b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Gomes, Chuck;<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:KnobenW@telekom.de" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">KnobenW@telekom.de</a>;<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:MWong@piercelaw.edu" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">MWong@piercelaw.edu</a><br><b>Cc:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:council@gnso.icann.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">council@gnso.icann.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>RE: [council] FW: [soac-discussion] FW: Communication with ACSO on the next RTs<o:p></o:p></span></div></div></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="font-size: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></p><div style="font-size: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; "><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: blue; font-size: 10pt; ">Agree w/r/t/ Whois and disagree w/r/t SSR.</span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="font-size: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; "> <o:p></o:p></div><div style="font-size: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; "><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: blue; font-size: 10pt; ">Don't believe we should be negotiating against ourselves by agreeing to two. Also, it seems to me that the ramifications of the selectors rejecting GNSO input as to participant number are potentially significant. In particular, the irony of doing so while the accountability and transparency review is underway is pretty amazing. I think that would play pretty well (against ICANN, that is) in a number of important fora.</span><o:p></o:p></div><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt; margin-right: 0in; "><div class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="font-size: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; text-align: center; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; "><hr align="center" size="2" width="100%"></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="font-size: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-bottom: 12pt; "><b><span style="font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; ">From:</span></b><span style="font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; "><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Gomes, Chuck [mailto:cgomes@verisign.com]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Tuesday, June 08, 2010 8:33 AM<br><b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:KnobenW@telekom.de" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">KnobenW@telekom.de</a>; Rosette, Kristina;<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:MWong@piercelaw.edu" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">MWong@piercelaw.edu</a><br><b>Cc:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:council@gnso.icann.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">council@gnso.icann.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>RE: [council] FW: [soac-discussion] FW: Communication with ACSO on the next RTs</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="font-size: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-size: 11pt; ">So far, I think everyone who has commented supports Tim’s suggestion that there should be four GNSO members on the Whois RT and most seem to support a default of one rep per SG for all RTs. I personally think that we might maximize our chances of getting four on the Whois RT if we concede to having two on the SSR RT and also think that it is fairly easy to make a strong case for that. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="font-size: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><u><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-size: 11pt; ">The Case for Four on the Whois RT<o:p></o:p></span></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="font-size: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-size: 11pt; ">Whereas Internet users across the whole ICANN community are impacted by Whois policy, I don’t think there is any doubt that GNSO constituents are impacted the most. It is gTLD registrants whose data is displayed and used. It is gTLD contracted parties who are required to implement Whois and who best understand the customer service and operational issues related to Whois offerings. It is commercial gTLD registrants whose businesses are affected when IP rights are violated. It is noncommercial users who have most often pointed out the need for privacy of Whois information and noncommercial organizations that are impacted in similar ways as commercial businesses.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="font-size: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-size: 11pt; ">In addition, because of the GNSO’s long and belabored Whois policy development history and varied Whois operational offerings, the GNSO has the best source of Whois experts from various points of view. There is also good evidence that each SG provides a unique area of expertise and represents different points of view with regard to Whois policy.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="font-size: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><u><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-size: 11pt; ">The Case for Two on the SSR RT</span></u><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-size: 11pt; "><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="font-size: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-size: 11pt; ">I believe that the SSR RT requires a higher degree of technical expertise than policy expertise and is less dependent on SG areas of focus. I also believe that the GNSO community as well as the ICANN community is much more united in terms of SSR issues and hence representation from different sectors may not necessarily produce significantly different contributions, especially when compared to a topic like Whois. Particularly with regard to the GNSO, if each SG endorses one candidate for the SSR team as proposed, I suspect that the SSR RT would not be negatively impacted if the Selectors choose a RrSG candidate over a RySG candidate or a NCSG candidate over a CSG candidate or any other comparison because all of us will likely be putting forth strong security experts.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="font-size: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-size: 11pt; ">The SSR RT may be an area where external experts may be especially helpful. By having fewer reps from SOs and ACs, space may be available for a few more experts.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="font-size: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><u><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-size: 11pt; ">My Conclusion<o:p></o:p></span></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="font-size: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-size: 11pt; ">I suggest that I make the case for four GNSO reps on the Whois RT and agree to two on the SSR team. This might set a good precedent for asking for four on the New gTLD RT because that, like Whois, is a big GNSO issue and one that there are clear variances in points of view from each SG.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="font-size: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-size: 11pt; ">Chuck<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="font-size: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-size: 11pt; "><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div style="border-bottom-width: medium; border-bottom-style: none; border-bottom-color: initial; border-left-color: blue; border-left-width: 1.5pt; border-left-style: solid; padding-bottom: 0in; padding-left: 4pt; padding-right: 0in; border-top-width: medium; border-top-style: none; border-top-color: initial; border-right-width: medium; border-right-style: none; border-right-color: initial; padding-top: 0in; "><div><div style="border-bottom-width: medium; border-bottom-style: none; border-bottom-color: initial; border-left-width: medium; border-left-style: none; border-left-color: initial; padding-bottom: 0in; padding-left: 0in; padding-right: 0in; border-top-color: rgb(181, 196, 223); border-top-width: 1pt; border-top-style: solid; border-right-width: medium; border-right-style: none; border-right-color: initial; padding-top: 3pt; "><div style="font-size: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; "><b><span style="font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; ">From:</span></b><span style="font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; "><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">owner-council@gnso.icann.org</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b><a href="mailto:KnobenW@telekom.de" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">KnobenW@telekom.de</a><br><b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Tuesday, June 08, 2010 7:46 AM<br><b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:krosette@cov.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">krosette@cov.com</a>;<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:MWong@piercelaw.edu" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">MWong@piercelaw.edu</a><br><b>Cc:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:council@gnso.icann.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">council@gnso.icann.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>AW: [council] FW: [soac-discussion] FW: Communication with ACSO on the next RTs<o:p></o:p></span></div></div></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="font-size: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></p><div style="font-size: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; "><span style="font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; ">agreed!<o:p></o:p></span></div><div><div style="font-size: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; "><span style="font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; "> <o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div style="font-size: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; "><span style="font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><p style="font-size: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span lang="DE" style="font-family: 'Courier New'; font-size: 10pt; ">Regards</span><span style="font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; "><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br></span><span lang="DE" style="font-family: 'Courier New'; font-size: 10pt; ">Wolf-Ulrich</span><span lang="DE" style="font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; "></span><span style="font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; "><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div style="font-size: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; "><span style="font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; "> <o:p></o:p></span></div></div><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt; margin-right: 0in; "><div style="font-size: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; "><span style="font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="font-size: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; text-align: center; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; "><span lang="DE" style="font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; "><hr align="center" size="2" width="100%"></span></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="font-size: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-bottom: 12pt; "><b><span lang="DE" style="font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; ">Von:</span></b><span lang="DE" style="font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; "><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">owner-council@gnso.icann.org</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>Im Auftrag von<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Rosette, Kristina<br><b>Gesendet:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Montag, 7. Juni 2010 19:46<br><b>An:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Mary Wong<br><b>Cc:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>GNSO Council<br><b>Betreff:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>RE: [council] FW: [soac-discussion] FW: Communication with ACSO on the next RTs<o:p></o:p></span></p><div style="font-size: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; "><span style="font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; ">+1<o:p></o:p></span></div><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt; margin-right: 0in; "><div style="font-size: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; "><span style="font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="font-size: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; text-align: center; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; "><span style="font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; "><hr align="center" size="2" width="100%"></span></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="font-size: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-bottom: 12pt; "><b><span style="font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; ">From:</span></b><span style="font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; "><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">owner-council@gnso.icann.org</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Mary Wong<br><b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Monday, June 07, 2010 1:43 PM<br><b>Cc:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>GNSO Council<br><b>Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [council] FW: [soac-discussion] FW: Communication with ACSO on the next RTs<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div style="font-size: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; "><span style="font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; ">I agree with Tim's arguments and suggestion for a response, and in addition support Bill's suggestion that all RTs start with a default distribution of 1 rep per SG from the GNSO (with deviations being explained and justified according to each RT scope/topic).<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="font-size: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; "><span style="font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; "> <o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="font-size: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; "><span style="font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; ">Cheers<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="font-size: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; "><span style="font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; ">Mary<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="font-size: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; "><span style="font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; "> <o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div><div style="font-size: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; "><strong><span style="font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; color: purple; font-size: 10pt; ">Mary W S Wong</span></strong><span style="font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; "><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="font-size: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; "><span style="font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; ">Professor of Law & Chair, Graduate IP Programs<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="font-size: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; "><span style="font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; ">Franklin Pierce Law Center<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="font-size: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; "><span style="font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; ">Two White Street<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="font-size: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; "><span style="font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; ">Concord, NH 03301<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="font-size: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; "><span style="font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; ">USA<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="font-size: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; "><span style="font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; ">Email:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:mwong@piercelaw.edu" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">mwong@piercelaw.edu</a><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="font-size: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; "><span style="font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; ">Phone: 1-603-513-5143<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="font-size: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; "><span style="font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; ">Webpage:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://www.piercelaw.edu/marywong/index.php" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://www.piercelaw.edu/marywong/index.php</a><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="font-size: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; "><span style="font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; ">Selected writings available on the Social Science Research Network (SSRN) at:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://ssrn.com/author=437584" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://ssrn.com/author=437584</a><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div style="font-size: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; "><span style="font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; "><br><br>>>><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><table class="MsoNormalTable" border="0" cellpadding="0" style="background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: rgb(243, 243, 243); margin-left: 11.25pt; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; "><tbody><tr><td style="padding-bottom: 0.75pt; padding-left: 0.75pt; padding-right: 0.75pt; padding-top: 0.75pt; "><div style="border-bottom-width: medium; border-bottom-style: none; border-bottom-color: initial; border-left-color: rgb(5, 5, 5); border-left-width: 1pt; border-left-style: solid; padding-bottom: 0in; padding-left: 5pt; padding-right: 0in; border-top-width: medium; border-top-style: none; border-top-color: initial; border-right-width: medium; border-right-style: none; border-right-color: initial; padding-top: 0in; "><table class="MsoNormalTable" border="0" cellpadding="0" style="background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: rgb(243, 243, 243); background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; "><tbody><tr><td valign="top" style="padding-bottom: 0.75pt; padding-left: 0.75pt; padding-right: 0.75pt; padding-top: 0.75pt; "><div style="font-size: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; "><strong><span style="font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; font-size: 8pt; ">From:</span></strong><span style="font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; font-size: 8pt; "><o:p></o:p></span></div></td><td valign="top" style="padding-bottom: 0.75pt; padding-left: 0.75pt; padding-right: 0.75pt; padding-top: 0.75pt; "><div style="font-size: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; "><span style="font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; font-size: 8pt; ">William Drake <<a href="mailto:william.drake@graduateinstitute.ch" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">william.drake@graduateinstitute.ch</a>><o:p></o:p></span></div></td></tr><tr><td valign="top" style="padding-bottom: 0.75pt; padding-left: 0.75pt; padding-right: 0.75pt; padding-top: 0.75pt; "><div style="font-size: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; "><strong><span style="font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; font-size: 8pt; ">To:</span></strong><span style="font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; font-size: 8pt; "><o:p></o:p></span></div></td><td valign="top" style="padding-bottom: 0.75pt; padding-left: 0.75pt; padding-right: 0.75pt; padding-top: 0.75pt; "><div style="font-size: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; "><span style="font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; font-size: 8pt; ">"Tim Ruiz" <<a href="mailto:tim@godaddy.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">tim@godaddy.com</a>><o:p></o:p></span></div></td></tr><tr><td valign="top" style="padding-bottom: 0.75pt; padding-left: 0.75pt; padding-right: 0.75pt; padding-top: 0.75pt; "><div style="font-size: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; "><strong><span style="font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; font-size: 8pt; ">CC:</span></strong><span style="font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; font-size: 8pt; "><o:p></o:p></span></div></td><td valign="top" style="padding-bottom: 0.75pt; padding-left: 0.75pt; padding-right: 0.75pt; padding-top: 0.75pt; "><div style="font-size: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; "><span style="font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; font-size: 8pt; ">"GNSO Council " <<a href="mailto:council@gnso.icann.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">council@gnso.icann.org</a>><o:p></o:p></span></div></td></tr><tr><td valign="top" style="padding-bottom: 0.75pt; padding-left: 0.75pt; padding-right: 0.75pt; padding-top: 0.75pt; "><div style="font-size: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; "><strong><span style="font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; font-size: 8pt; ">Date:</span></strong><span style="font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; font-size: 8pt; "><o:p></o:p></span></div></td><td valign="top" style="padding-bottom: 0.75pt; padding-left: 0.75pt; padding-right: 0.75pt; padding-top: 0.75pt; "><div style="font-size: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; "><span style="font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; font-size: 8pt; ">6/7/2010 11:05 AM<o:p></o:p></span></div></td></tr><tr><td valign="top" style="padding-bottom: 0.75pt; padding-left: 0.75pt; padding-right: 0.75pt; padding-top: 0.75pt; "><div style="font-size: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; "><strong><span style="font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; font-size: 8pt; ">Subject:</span></strong><span style="font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; font-size: 8pt; "><o:p></o:p></span></div></td><td valign="top" style="padding-bottom: 0.75pt; padding-left: 0.75pt; padding-right: 0.75pt; padding-top: 0.75pt; "><div style="font-size: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; "><span style="font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; font-size: 8pt; ">Re: [council] FW: [soac-discussion] FW: Communication with ACSO on the next RTs<o:p></o:p></span></div></td></tr></tbody></table><p class="MsoNormal" style="font-size: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-bottom: 12pt; "><br>Hi<br><br>It would be interesting to hear the rationale for reverting to the original proposal of tiny unrepresentative RTs. In any event, I strongly agree with Tim that there really has to be four for WHOIS, the perspectives of the SGs are just too variable for any two to represent the others, and the whole process could become a focal point of controversy. Same goes for the pending RT on competition and consumer issues. As for security, I agree that two may be relatively less problematic, but only relatively... it's more difficult to judge ex ante what level of agreement there is or isn't here across some SGs on the various issues.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><br>It'd be a lot easier if they'd just default to four across the board in order to ensure community representation and diverse skill sets at the table, rather than turning RT size into a needless source of angst.<br><br>Bill<br><br><br>On Jun 7, 2010, at 4:26 PM, Tim Ruiz wrote:<br><br><span style="color: black; font-size: 10pt; ">><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> I'm not too concerned about having only two seats on the Security RT,<br>> but strongly oppose accepting only two seats on the Whois.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> It is perfectly reasonable to allow one seat each to the SSAC, GAC, and<br>> ASO. But I think it's totally implausible to assume a well represented<br>> RT with only two for the GNSO and one each for the ccNSO and the ALAC. I<br>> believe we make a very strong statement insisting that each of those are<br>> doubled - four for the GNSO (one for each SG, no less), two each for the<br>> ccNSO and the ALAC due to the size of their memberships. That would make<br>> the RT 14 members, and that is certainly workable and more realistic.<br>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> I realize the ALAC and ccNSO can defend themselves, but given the<br>> selectors concerns over the team size I think we should respond with a<br>> total picture of what we think the RT should look like and why.<br>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> Tim<br>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> -------- Original Message --------<br>> Subject: [council] FW: [soac-discussion] FW: Communication with ACSO on<br>> the next RTs<br>> From: "Gomes, Chuck" <<a href="mailto:cgomes@verisign.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">cgomes@verisign.com</a>><br>> Date: Fri, June 04, 2010 1:44 pm<br>> To: <<a href="mailto:council@gnso.icann.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">council@gnso.icann.org</a>><br>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> Please note what the AoC Selectors have proposed for the next two RTs.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> Please provide any comments you have on this list. Time permitting, we<br>> will also briefly discuss this in meeting on 10 June.<br>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> Chuck<br>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> From:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:owner-soac-discussion@icann.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">owner-soac-discussion@icann.org</a><br>> [mailto:owner-soac-discussion@icann.org] On Behalf Of Janis Karklins<br>> Sent: Friday, June 04, 2010 1:50 PM<br>> To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:soac-discussion@icann.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">soac-discussion@icann.org</a><br>> Cc: 'Rod Beckstrom'; 'Donna Austin'; 'Olof Nordling'<br>> Subject: [soac-discussion] FW: Communication with ACSO on the next RTs<br>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> Dear colleagues<br>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> On behalf of Selectors I would like to propose that the size and<br>> composition of the two next review teams would be as follows:<br>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> Security <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> WHOIS<br>> GAC, including the Chair 2 1<br>> GNSO 2 <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> 2<br>> ccNSO 2 <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> 1<br>> ALAC 2 <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> 1<br>> SSAC 1 <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> 1<br>> RSSAC 1<br>> ASO 1 <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> 1<br>> Independent expert 1-2 2 (law<br>> enforcement/privacy experts)<br>> CEO 1 <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> 1<br>> 13-14 <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> 10<br>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> I understand that your initial suggestions/requests were not fully<br>> accommodated, but for the sake of efficiency, credibility of the<br>> process, budgetary limitations Selectors have developed this proposal.<br>> If we would take into account all wishes, the RT size would be over 20<br>> which in Selectors’ view is not credible option.<br>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> I hope that proposal will be equally unacceptable for everybody. I would<br>> appreciate your comments or expression of non-objection in coming week.<br>> Only after assessment of the violence of your opposition the Selectors<br>> will make their proposal (in present form or modified) public.<br>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> Best regards<br>> JK<br>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><br>***********************************************************<br>William J. Drake<br>Senior Associate<br>Centre for International Governance<br>Graduate Institute of International and<br>Development Studies<br>Geneva, Switzerland<br><a href="mailto:william.drake@graduateinstitute.ch" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">william.drake@graduateinstitute.ch</a><br><a href="http://www.graduateinstitute.ch/cig/drake.html" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">www.graduateinstitute.ch/cig/drake.html</a><br><a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/williamjdrake" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">www.linkedin.com/in/williamjdrake</a><br>***********************************************************</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></td></tr></tbody></table><div style="font-size: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; "><span style="font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div><div style="font-size: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; "><span style="font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; "><br><a href="http://www.piercelaw.edu/" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; "><span style="text-decoration: none; "><object id="_x0000_i1027" border="0" alt="Pierce Law | University of New Hampshire - An Innovative Partnership" width="32" height="32" data="cid:XLSQHCMDFOCF.affiliationlogo.jpg" type="application/x-apple-msg-attachment"></object></span></a><o:p></o:p></span></div></div></blockquote></blockquote></div></blockquote></div></blockquote></div></div></blockquote></div></td></tr></tbody></table><br><div><br><a href="http://www.piercelaw.edu/" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; "><object alt="Pierce Law | University of New Hampshire - An Innovative Partnership" border="0" data="cid:XLSQHCMDFOCF.affiliationlogo.jpg" type="application/x-apple-msg-attachment"></object></a></div></div></span></blockquote></div><br><div>
<span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Arial; font-size: medium; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Arial; font-size: medium; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">***********************************************************<br>William J. Drake<br>Senior Associate<br>Centre for International Governance<br>Graduate Institute of International and<br> Development Studies<br>Geneva, Switzerland<br><a href="mailto:william.drake@graduateinstitute.ch">william.drake@graduateinstitute.ch</a><br>www.graduateinstitute.ch/cig/drake.html</div><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/williamjdrake">www.linkedin.com/in/williamjdrake</a><br>***********************************************************<br><br></div></span></span>
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