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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> owner-council@gnso.icann.org
[mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] <B>On Behalf Of </B>William
Drake<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, June 16, 2010 1:46 PM<BR><B>To:</B> Rafik
Dammak<BR><B>Cc:</B> KnobenW@telekom.de; cgomes@verisign.com;
council@gnso.icann.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [council] Motion to approve AOC
endorsement<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>It would be helpful to know if any other members of the drafting
team have input either way? The process and motion were the products of
a collective endeavor....
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<DIV>Bill<BR>
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<DIV>On Jun 16, 2010, at 3:36 PM, Rafik Dammak wrote:</DIV><BR
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<DIV>I don't see why we need to define for every RT a new process, it is
quite weird to do that when in the same time we are trying to handle
with important time constraints all the ongoing PDP and it is
against any logic ( we can be flexible but there is time when we need a
stable solution IMHO). maybe the current process is not the best for some
people but changing it for each RT won't necessarily make it
better. </DIV>
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<DIV>Rafik<BR><BR>
<DIV class=gmail_quote>2010/6/16 <SPAN dir=ltr><<A
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Bill,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>I hope
it is not that complicated to explain and understand (see comments
inserted).</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<P><SPAN lang=de><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>Regards</FONT></SPAN>
<BR><SPAN lang=de><FONT face="Courier New"
size=2>Wolf-Ulrich</FONT></SPAN> </P>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>Von:</B> William Drake [mailto:<A
href="mailto:william.drake@graduateinstitute.ch"
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<BR><B>Gesendet:</B> Mittwoch, 16. Juni 2010 08:16<BR><B>An:</B> Gomes,
Chuck<BR><B>Cc:</B> Knoben, Wolf-Ulrich; <A
href="mailto:council@gnso.icann.org"
target=_blank>council@gnso.icann.org</A><BR><B>Betreff:</B> Re:
[council] Motion to approve AOC endorsement<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>Hi
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<DIV>On Jun 15, 2010, at 10:46 PM, Gomes, Chuck wrote:</DIV><BR>
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you very much for the very clear and precise red-line version Wolf and
thanks also for including my suggested amendment.</SPAN></DIV>
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you accept these amendments as
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<DIV>As I've said I don't particularly see limiting which candidates we
can talk about in which order as an improvement, but since the point has
elicited little comment here I'm guessing nobody else is too concerned
and I should let it go. And I like the addition of the Chuck
clause, "SG’s should only propose additional candidates that are of
a different geographical location or gender than their primary
candidate." But even so, before saying whether I accept the
amendment as friendly, I'd like to understand it, and would appreciate
clarification from CSG on the following two points:</DIV>
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<DIV>First, the amendment changes </DIV>
<DIV>* "the GNSO Council formed a drafting team" to "the GNSO
formed..." </DIV>
<DIV>* "GNSO Council endorsements" to "GNSO endorsements" and</DIV>
<DIV>* "the GNSO Council desires to adopt the AOC-RR Drafting Team
proposed process" to "the GNSO desires.."</DIV>
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<DIV class=im>This I guess is consistent with Kristina's earlier
comments that Council " has been greatly restricted in the
restructuring and the initially proposed mechanism goes beyond that
role," and that "having a slightly more complicated process at the SG
level is far preferable to having the Council take on an SG role and
make nominations independent of the community." But per previous
I don't quite get the notion that elected representatives of SGs working
together in Council are somehow separate from and would be acting
above/independent of SGs in voting on endorsements. Does that only
hold here, or is it true of any and all Council decisions? If we
adopt this language, are we collectively establishing the premise that
Council is not a representative body that can act on behalf of its
constituents? I'd think it important to be clear what we're saying
here. I understand CSG wants to talk about this Saturday in the
non-contracted house meeting, which will presumably help, but it seems
like a conversation for the wider Council and community too if for no
other reason than the Council (?) will have to vote on
it.<BR><SPAN><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2> </FONT></SPAN><BR></DIV><FONT color=#0000ff><SPAN><FONT
face=Arial size=2>[WUK: ] </FONT></SPAN><SPAN> <FONT
face=Arial size=2>It is more about the question of the council's
competences. According to the bylaws "<FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=3>The GNSO Council is responsible for <U>managing the policy
development process</U> of the GNSO". Since the activities around the
AoC could be seen as lying outside these competences it is advisable to
ascertain the GNSO as a whole endorses the process. In other words:
where the council competences are not in question we won't have such a
discussion. </FONT></FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>Second, particularly as chair of the drafting team, I would like to
understand what is envisioned by striking "for all future AOC review
team selections" and limiting the mechanism to just the pending
WHOIS and SSR, since this is contrary to the prior mandate from, um, the
Council. Is the idea that the drafting team will become a
permanent body and we will have to reword things and adopt fresh
processes and motions for each RT cycle? How for example might
future language be different from what we have on the table
now?<BR><SPAN><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
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<DIV><SPAN><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>[WUK:
] There's no intention to permanently establish a drafting
team. But fixing the process "for all future AoC RT selections" appeared
too definitive with respect to a fast changing environment.
The amendment does not exclude the opportunity that all future AoC RTs
would follow this process.</FONT></SPAN></DIV><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>Would much appreciate any help getting my head around this.</DIV>
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<DIV>Thanks,</DIV>
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<DIV>Bill</DIV>
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