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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Hi Bill,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I am not sure how my response changes the intent of your motion.
I do see that my proposal would delay implementation, because I don’t
want to give you incorrect or incomplete information, but my desire is to respond
quickly and in a way that is consistent with your intent. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I do think we can respond relatively quickly, but there are issues
to consider that I don’t want to treat in a cursory manner. I “think”
that the incremental audio streaming costs if we can audiocast like we do for
these public meetings will be relatively small. But, for example, there are
limits to the number of people who can be in an Adobe Connect room without expanding
to a special (larger, more costly) room. And there are some consequences that
the Council might want to be aware of, for example all who access the adobe
connect room would be able to comment in the chat room (which might have both benefits
and challenges). This may not be important to the Council but you may not know
who is in the Adobe Connect room (and chatting) as individuals self-identify
when they enter. Also, you don’t say whether you expect that audio streaming
should also be provided to individuals who cannot access the Internet in order to
listen. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>We have existing tools that will almost certainly be both
functional and more cost effective than investing in additional tools, and I
think we can provide accurate information by the 15<sup>th</sup>. If the
Council thinks that we should publicly solicit competitive bids, it would be
quite difficult to do so to meet the deadline of the 15<sup>th</sup> of July.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Thanks, Liz<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> William Drake
[mailto:william.drake@graduateinstitute.ch] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, June 20, 2010 12:52 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Stéphane Van Gelder<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Gomes, Chuck; Liz Gasster; Caroline Greer; Rafik Dammak;
council@gnso.icann.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [council] Motion on Transparency of Council Meetings<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Hi<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Well the amendment obviously changes the intent quite a bit,
but if a two step process will make everyone happier, fine. But how about
a little tweak:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>RESOLVED that the Council asks staff to determine the costs
associated with audiocasting all GNSO Council teleconference meetings (in
addition to being recorded) so that members of the community can
listen in real time. In making this determination, staff shall publicly
solicit competitive bids from external suppliers of such services, as well as assess
the cost of providing such services internally through ICANN's own network
operations. Staff is asked to provide cost information on the available
options to the Council prior to its meeting on 15 July 2010.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Best,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Bill<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>On Jun 20, 2010, at 12:04 PM, Stéphane Van Gelder wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>I am willing to put this forward as a friendly amendment if
that can help.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Thanks,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Stéphane<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Le 20 juin 2010 à 11:38, Gomes, Chuck a écrit :<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Bill/Olga,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I had asked Staff to try to have the estimated cost info in
advance of our meeting this week, but, as you can see, it looks like that is
not possible. Would you consider amending your motion as requested by Liz?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Chuck</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
class=apple-converted-space><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> </span></span><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Liz Gasster
[mailto:liz.gasster@icann.org]<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><br>
<b>Sent:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Sunday, June 20,
2010 5:26 AM<br>
<b>To:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Gomes, Chuck; Caroline
Greer; Rafik Dammak<br>
<b>Cc:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>William Drake;<span
class=apple-converted-space> </span><a href="mailto:council@gnso.icann.org">council@gnso.icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>RE: [council]
Motion on Transparency of Council Meetings</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>All,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>We are still working on this request. I do not want to
respond prematurely, as there are several options to consider. Because of
how little time we have had to explore this, I would like to propose that the
Council consider a friendly amendment. Would the Council be willing to
consider the following :</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN>RESOLVED that the Council asks staff to
determine the costs associated with audiocasting all GNSO Council
teleconference meetings (in addition to being recorded) so that members of the
community can listen in real time. Staff is asked to provide this information
to the Council prior to its meeting on 15 July 2010.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Thanks, Liz</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
class=apple-converted-space><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> </span></span><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'><a
href="mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org">owner-council@gnso.icann.org</a><span
class=apple-converted-space> </span>[mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org]<span
class=apple-converted-space> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span
class=apple-converted-space> </span></b>Gomes, Chuck<br>
<b>Sent:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Tuesday, June 15,
2010 6:34 PM<br>
<b>To:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Caroline Greer; Rafik
Dammak<br>
<b>Cc:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>William Drake;<span
class=apple-converted-space> </span><a href="mailto:council@gnso.icann.org">council@gnso.icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>RE: [council]
Motion on Transparency of Council Meetings</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Staff will try to get some rough cost estimates of a couple
alternative ways of doing this before our meeting on the 23<sup>rd</sup>.
In particular, Liz has sent a request to the ICANN IT department.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Chuck</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
class=apple-converted-space><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> </span></span><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'><a
href="mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org">owner-council@gnso.icann.org</a><span
class=apple-converted-space> </span>[mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org]<span
class=apple-converted-space> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span
class=apple-converted-space> </span></b>Caroline Greer<br>
<b>Sent:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Tuesday, June 15,
2010 11:23 AM<br>
<b>To:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Rafik Dammak<br>
<b>Cc:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>William Drake;<span
class=apple-converted-space> </span><a href="mailto:council@gnso.icann.org">council@gnso.icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>RE: [council]
Motion on Transparency of Council Meetings</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Thanks Rafik (and Bill also).</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>I have no clue about the costs
associated with such things so I was just trying to get a handle on it. Sounds
like a very low level cost from what you both say.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Kind regards,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Caroline.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
class=apple-converted-space><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> </span></span><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'><a
href="mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org">owner-council@gnso.icann.org</a><span
class=apple-converted-space> </span>[mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org]<span
class=apple-converted-space> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span
class=apple-converted-space> </span></b>Rafik Dammak<br>
<b>Sent:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>15 June 2010 16:16<br>
<b>To:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Caroline Greer<br>
<b>Cc:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>William Drake;<span
class=apple-converted-space> </span><a href="mailto:council@gnso.icann.org">council@gnso.icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Re: [council]
Motion on Transparency of Council Meetings</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Hi Caroline,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>I was active in WG about remote participation for Internet
Governance Forum, and my understanding is that cost wasn't a barrier for setup
either audiocast or videocast. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>I am even in contact with team from Politechnico Torino
which help IGF secretariat to setup video and audio streaming for each IGF open
consultation and they only request a reliable bandwidth Internet
connection.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Rafik<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>2010/6/16 Caroline Greer <<a
href="mailto:cgreer@mtld.mobi">cgreer@mtld.mobi</a>><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Many thanks Rafik. Can we define
‘not so expensive’?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Caroline.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Rafik Dammak
[mailto:<a href="mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com" target="_blank">rafik.dammak@gmail.com</a>]<span
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<b>Sent:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>15 June 2010 16:08<br>
<b>To:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Caroline Greer<br>
<b>Cc:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>William Drake;<span
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target="_blank">council@gnso.icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Re: [council]
Motion on Transparency of Council Meetings</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Hi Caroline,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>audiocast is different to what as councilors we use for
confcall. it is just classic audio streaming and it is not so expensive to be
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<p class=MsoNormal>Regards<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>2010/6/15 Caroline Greer <<a
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Bill,<br>
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Do you know if we have a cost estimate for the set-up of real-time audio<br>
calls? I think we might need that information in order to consider the<br>
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Caroline.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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-----Original Message-----<br>
From:<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><a
href="mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org" target="_blank">owner-council@gnso.icann.org</a><span
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On Behalf Of William Drake<br>
Sent: 15 June 2010 10:03<br>
To: GNSO Council List<br>
Subject: [council] Motion on Transparency of Council Meetings<br>
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Hello,<br>
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In light of the bit of conversation over the past couple days concerning<br>
the relationship between Council members and their SGs, the ATRT process<br>
and our pending meeting with them, and internal discussions in NCSG, I<br>
hear by make the following motion.<br>
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MOTION ON ENHANCING THE TRANSPARENCY OF GNSO COUNCIL MEETINGS<br>
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WHEREAS the Affirmation of Commitments mandates that ICANN processes be<br>
made as transparent as possible;<br>
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WHEREAS the GNSO Council seeks to promote broad community awareness of<br>
and engagement in GNSO activities;<br>
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WHEREAS the GNSO Council is a management team whose elected members<br>
represent their respective Stakeholder Groups in a manner determined by<br>
those Stakeholder Groups;<br>
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WHEREAS this representation function would be enhanced if Stakeholder<br>
Group members were able to listen in real time to Council meetings; and<br>
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WHEREAS it would be impractical to open the GNSO Council meeting<br>
teleconference facility to Stakeholder Group members;<br>
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NOW THEREFORE, BE IT:<br>
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RESOLVED that beginning in July 2010, all GNSO Council teleconference<br>
meetings will be audiocast (in addition to being recorded) so that<br>
members of the community can listen in real time.<br>
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William J. Drake<br>
Senior Associate<br>
Centre for International Governance<br>
Graduate Institute of International and<br>
Development Studies<br>
Geneva, Switzerland<br>
<a href="mailto:william.drake@graduateinstitute.ch" target="_blank">william.drake@graduateinstitute.ch</a><br>
<a href="http://www.graduateinstitute.ch/cig/drake.html" target="_blank">www.graduateinstitute.ch/cig/drake.html</a><br>
<a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/williamjdrake" target="_blank">www.linkedin.com/in/williamjdrake</a><br>
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William J. Drake<br>
Senior Associate<br>
Centre for International Governance<br>
Graduate Institute of International and<br>
Development Studies<br>
Geneva, Switzerland<br>
<a href="mailto:william.drake@graduateinstitute.ch">william.drake@graduateinstitute.ch</a><br>
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