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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Thank you Bill for responding. We will now consider the
amendment as unfriendly and will vote on it before we vote on the motion.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'>Chuck<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> William Drake
[mailto:william.drake@graduateinstitute.ch] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, June 20, 2010 1:08 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <KnobenW@telekom.de><br>
<b>Cc:</b> GNSO Council List; Gomes, Chuck<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [council] Motion to approve AOC endorsement<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Hi Wolf-Ulrich,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>I was just about to come back to this, you beat me to the
punch. Having had the opportunity yesterday to hear a bit more on the
thinking, I guess I'm still of the view I shared on the last council call,
since:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>1. We had a drafting team comprising reps of all SGs that
worked collaboratively and agreed a text. This was on the table for some time
internally and then in the Council before concerns were expressed just prior to
consideration of the motion. IMO, the DT having done what was asked of
it, its text deserves a chance to be voted on.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>2. I still don't see why it is necessary to codify the
sequence in which Councilors may discuss possible additional diversity
endorsements, or to limit the conditions under which they may discuss the whole
pool of applicants. I trust Councilors to of course talk first
about candidates for whom SGs have expressed preferences, I can't imagine
the conversation in which they'd refuse to.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>3. The drafting team was mandated to propose a process
that could be used for RT endorsements going forward. If subsequent
experience suggests that it'd make sense to revisit and tweak the process, we
would do that. I don't see why we should assume at the front end
that there will be problems and hence limit our agreement to just the next
two RTs.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>4. As discussed in today's meeting, it has become
clear in recent days that there a different views in play about the nature and
proper role of the Council. To the extent that the amendment is based one
particular view, it seems premature to set that philosophical baseline in this
instance. We need to have a broader and more probing discussion of this
somewhere down the line and see if we can come to some shared understanding.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>So let's treat it as unfriendly and whatever Councilors
decide in their SG representative capacities, fine.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Cheers,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Bill<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>On Jun 20, 2010, at 6:07 PM, <<a
href="mailto:KnobenW@telekom.de">KnobenW@telekom.de</a>> <<a
href="mailto:KnobenW@telekom.de">KnobenW@telekom.de</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Bill,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>following
the NCPH discussion on the topic: could you now accept the amendment as
friendly?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><span lang=DE style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>Regards</span><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <br>
</span><span lang=DE style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>Wolf-Ulrich</span><span
lang=DE style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> </span><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><b><span lang=DE
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Von:</span></b><span
lang=DE style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Mary Wong
[mailto:MWong@piercelaw.edu] <br>
<b>Gesendet:</b> Donnerstag, 17. Juni 2010 06:39<br>
<b>An:</b> <a href="mailto:william.drake@graduateinstitute.ch">william.drake@graduateinstitute.ch</a>;
Knoben, Wolf-Ulrich<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:rafik.dammak@GMAIL.COM">rafik.dammak@GMAIL.COM</a>; <a
href="mailto:council@gnso.icann.org">council@gnso.icann.org</a>; <a
href="mailto:cgomes@verisign.com">cgomes@verisign.com</a><br>
<b>Betreff:</b> Re: AW: [council] Motion to approve AOC endorsement<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>FWIW
I agree with Bill and Caroline that the motion, as it stands (or is that
stood?) does NOT prevent the Council from proposing/supporting/endorsing a
different process for future RTs. What it seems to me to do is to endorse a
baseline/default starting point that has the benefit of being uniform,
clear and resulting from the thoughtful efforts of the DT (on which all SGs
were represented).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>I
find it somewhat ironic - and perhaps a testimony to those who have mentioned
elsewhere that the question of what we as Councillors are meant to do or be -
that the question of whether (and to what extent) the Council is acting as a
"managerial" versus a legislative top-down body in the new GNSO
environment seems to be arising in various contexts recently. Regardless, I'm
having a bit of a hard time believing that Councillors elected by their
SGs would not do their best to fully represent that SG's interests, while
respecting the role of the Council and the need for consensus among the whole
ICANN community (even if this means, as is often the case, questioning or
proposing amendments to motions, as happened here. I fully believe that the
differences of opinion we are seeing on this issue is the result of various
Councillors balancing the demands and needs of their particular
SGs/constituencies with the overall effect to the community and the work of the
Cou<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>I
understand that this may be more difficult - depending on the issue, for
instance - for certain SGs at certain points in time. However, and in this
particular context, I'm inclined to give greater weight to the deliberations
and recommendations of the DT, especially as it was a broadly representative
team and it remains open to us at a future date to require and/or justify
a different process.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Cheers<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Mary<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><strong><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";
color:purple'>Mary W S Wong</span></strong><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Professor
of Law & Chair, Graduate IP Programs<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Franklin
Pierce Law Center<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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White Street<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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NH 03301<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Email:
<a href="mailto:mwong@piercelaw.edu">mwong@piercelaw.edu</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<a href="http://www.piercelaw.edu/marywong/index.php">http://www.piercelaw.edu/marywong/index.php</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Selected
writings available on the Social Science Research Network (SSRN) at: <a
href="http://ssrn.com/author=437584">http://ssrn.com/author=437584</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>William
Drake <<a href="mailto:william.drake@graduateinstitute.ch">william.drake@graduateinstitute.ch</a>><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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href="mailto:cgomes@verisign.com">cgomes@verisign.com</a>>, <<a
href="mailto:rafik.dammak@GMAIL.COM">rafik.dammak@GMAIL.COM</a>>, <<a
href="mailto:council@gnso.icann.org">council@gnso.icann.org</a>><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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6:43 PM<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Re:
AW: [council] Motion to approve AOC endorsement<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>On Jun 16, 2010, at 11:48 PM, <<a
href="mailto:KnobenW@telekom.de">KnobenW@telekom.de</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:blue'>As I tried to explain, the amended motion does <u>not</u> preclude
using the same process after the next two RTs. But it doesn't cement it like
some GNSO folks were feeling before</span><span style='font-size:13.5pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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the Council revisiting the process after the next two RTs if issues are
identified that merit tweak. No cement or other building materials bind
us to follow this or any other process we don't prefer.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>This I guess is consistent with Kristina's earlier
comments that Council " has been greatly restricted in the
restructuring and the initially proposed mechanism goes beyond that
role," and that "having a slightly more complicated process at the
SG level is far preferable to having the Council take on an SG role and make
nominations independent of the community." But per previous I don't
quite get the notion that elected representatives of SGs working together in
Council are somehow separate from and would be acting above/independent of
SGs in voting on endorsements. Does that only hold here, or is it true
of any and all Council decisions? If we adopt this language, are we
collectively establishing the premise that Council is not a representative
body that can act on behalf of its constituents? I'd think it important
to be clear what we're saying here. I understand CSG wants to talk
about this Saturday in the non-contracted house meeting, which will
presumably help, but it seems like a conversation for the wider Council and
community too if for no other reason than the Council (?) will have to vote
on it.<br>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'>It is
more about the question of the council's competences. According to the bylaws
"</span><span style='color:blue'>The GNSO Council is responsible for<span
class=apple-converted-space> </span><u>managing the policy development
process</u><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>of the GNSO".
Since the activities around the AoC could be seen as lying outside these
competences it is advisable to ascertain the GNSO as a whole endorses the
process. In other words: where the council competences are not in question we
won't have such a discussion.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Determining whether the GNSO as a whole supports or opposes
a particular decision on our plate would be an interesting new requirement
for Council action. We could, for example, henceforth require a
consultation and consensus formation on <a
href="http://gnso.icann.org/mailing-lists/archives/ga-200709">http://gnso.icann.org/mailing-lists/archives/ga-200709</a>
before taking any action. I'm sure there are some folks there who'd
like to weigh in. But in lieu of such a requirement, Council
representatives act in accordance with the norms and customs of their
respective communities and of the democratically elected Council. An
interesting question then is whether other SGs and the Council as a whole
should set aside that approach, redefine its role, and base its actions on
any one SG's internal norms and dynamics. I'm open to persuasion, but a
priori this seems like an unusual foundation for collective action.<o:p></o:p></p>
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William J. Drake<br>
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Centre for International Governance<br>
Graduate Institute of International and<br>
Development Studies<br>
Geneva, Switzerland<br>
<a href="mailto:william.drake@graduateinstitute.ch">william.drake@graduateinstitute.ch</a><br>
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