<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Sorry to wade in, but I find this thread surreal.<div><br></div><div>So should it be a rule at ICANN meetings that even if there are 2,000 or more attendees, as we are told is the case here, the organizers MUST find suitable space for them? So does that mean they have to rent a stadium or something if ICANN meetings continue to grow in popularity and interest worldwide?</div><div><br></div><div>I understand and am sympathetic to Tim's desire to include everyone, but what if that's not physically possible? Should a venue be discounted because a 2,000 person gala event cannot be organized there, either for budgetary or logistical reasons?<br><div><br></div><div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div>Stéphane Van Gelder<br>Directeur Général / General manager<br>+33 1 48 01 83 51<br><br>INDOM Noms de domaine / Domain names<br>124-126, rue de Provence<br>75008 Paris<br>France<br>0820 77 7000 (Prix d'un appel local) <br>De l'étranger (calling from outside France): + 33 1 76 70 05 67<br><a href="http://www.indom.com">www.indom.com</a><br><br>Daily domain name industry news: www.domaines.info<br>Mon blog/My blog : www.stephanevangelder.com<br>Twitter : stephvg<br></div><div><br></div><div>----------------<br>Téléchargez l'App INDOM GRATUITE pour iPhone (App Store, Recherche: "INDOM")</div><div>Download INDOM's FREE iPHone App (App Store, search for INDOM).</div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: 11px; "><a href="http://itunes.apple.com/fr/app/indom/id359401210?mt=8" title="blocked::http://itunes.apple.com/fr/app/indom/id359401210?mt=8" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://itunes.apple.com/fr/app/indom/id359401210?mt=8</a></span><br>----------------</div></div></span></div></span></div></span></span>
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<br><div><div>Le 23 juin 2010 à 08:55, Olga Cavalli a écrit :</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite">Hi,<br>I agree with Tim and Mary.<br>When meetings are organized, there should be a commitment made by organizers and local partners to allow everyone in the ICANN community to participating in social events including the Gala dinner.<br>
It is extremely disappointing to have difficulties in getting one of the invitations for those not part of a SO or AC, even when they volunteer time and effort in different working groups or are just part of the community attending the meeting.<br>
As new rules are being established for ICANN meetings organization, I suggest that we address this comment to those in charge of preparing them.<br>Regards<br>Olga<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/6/22 <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:HughesDeb@usa.redcross.org">HughesDeb@usa.redcross.org</a>></span><br>
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<a href="mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org" target="_blank">owner-council@gnso.icann.org</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org" target="_blank">owner-council@gnso.icann.org</a>] <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">On Behalf Of </span></b>Mary Wong<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, June 22, 2010 10:34
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<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> GNSO Council<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [council] Gala
tickets and volunteers...</span></font></div>
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<div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; "><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma;">I agree with Tim
that it seems to defeat the purpose if the most active volunteers at ICANN
don't get an equal chance to attend the main event.</span></font></div>
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<div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; "><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma;">More broadly, I
find it troubling that these events are listed as "networking events"
on the schedule, but occasionally (usually at meetings where there are very
many attendees, e.g. Paris and now Brussels) an "ordinary" member of
the community (e.g. not a Board or Council member) is
told, after traveling to the meeting and after he/she has been
asked to name his/her hotel for transport to the gala, that he/she needs a
ticket on a "first come first served" basis (BTW the meeting website
merely hints vaguely at this, saying that "Invitations will be available
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<div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; "><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma;">I appreciate that
this kind of decision is made by the host/sponsor for logistical reasons, and
not ICANN, but to me it could - and probably will - be taken as a poor
reflection of ICANN (especially when so much volunteer time is being asked of
the community). I also appreciate that as a Council member I get a ticket and
in advance (thank you Glen!!!!) but if I were a non-Council but active WG
member, I might be troubled by that too.</span></font></div>
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<div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; "><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma;">It seems to me
that if the host/sponsor cannot hold a splashy event that can accommodate
as many members of the community as wish to attend (some of whom may be here
for the first time or who may be funding themselves), then either hold a less
fancy/ambitious event so that more can attend, or don't hold one at all (or at
least don't advertise it as a gala open to all).</span></font></div>
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now someone tell me this is "outside the scope of Council" :)</span></font></div>
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<div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; "><font color="black" face="Verdana" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana; color: black;">I learned this morning that the ATRT members do not get Gala
tickets similar to the way the Council received them. It seems to me that if
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