<html><body bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div>Chuck,</div><div><br></div><div>The only reason I am saying the effort failed is that we are now considering alternatives as a way forward, as per our last meeting's agenda.</div><div><br></div><div>Absent a feeling that the effort failed, why would the question of "what now" even be asked?</div><div><br></div><div>As for the reasons for this failure, in my view the system devised was way too complex. Both to implement and to execute.</div><div><br></div><div>I still favour what Adrian first proposed: that the Chair lead the decision making process as to what tasks are prioritised. Now in this, I am not suggesting that the Chair take it upon himself to allocate priority to existing GNSO projects. I am saying that the Chair could act as a custodian of GNSO resources and if a new project comes in and resources are lacking to deal with it, then the Chair either asks the council to put the project aside until the resources become available to deal with it, or asks the council which other project should be delayed in order to deal with the new project coming in.</div><div><br></div><div>In my view, this would be a way of applying good management to our work, while still making sure that if new projects are deemed important enough by the council, they can still be undertaken.</div><div><br></div><div>This was the main gist behind my "other" on the poll.</div><div><br></div><div>Stéphane<br><br>Envoyé de mon iPhone4</div><div><br>Le 9 août 2010 à 15:21, "Gomes, Chuck" <<a href="mailto:cgomes@verisign.com">cgomes@verisign.com</a>> a écrit :<br><br></div><div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D">Let me try again.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D">Thanks for the thoughtful comments Caroline. You say
below, “. . . the process (ie, was it flawed in some way? If we all agree on
that, then yes, we should scrap the results that we have)”. Why should we
necessarily scrap the process just because it was flawed in some way? If we
think that the flaws caused invalid results, I would agree, but if not, why not
try to improve the process by fixing the flaws?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D">If there are those who think the results are invalid, please
help me understand why you think that? I can understand that some may believe
that the results may not provide as much direction as hoped, but that does not
mean they are invalid. I can also understand that some may think that the
value of the results might not justify the level of effort expended, but again,
that does not make the results invalid. Regarding the first scenario, it was
stated up front that the process did not cover how to use the results and that
the Council would have to work on that. Regarding the second scenario, maybe
the level of effort could be reduced to be more commensurate with the end
product.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D">I personally don’t believe that the results provide a magic
bullet but I didn’t expect them to. At the same time I sincerely believe that they
provide us information that we could use in conjunction with other information
as we consider whether to initiate new projects in the coming months.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D">Chuck<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> Caroline Greer
[mailto:cgreer@mtld.mobi] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, August 09, 2010 8:18 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Stéphane Van Gelder<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Gomes, Chuck; <a href="mailto:council@gnso.icann.org"><a href="mailto:council@gnso.icann.org">council@gnso.icann.org</a></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [council] GNSO Project Prioritization<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D">Well, if I could throw it back Stéphane, when you say that the
work done so far did not produce the ‘desired results’, what is meant by that?
What were our needs and what was the objective? [and I apologize for lacking
some of the history here, as I believe this effort started before I joined the
Council]. Surely we managed as a group to identify some projects of agreed high
importance and my thinking was to use that information when we face decisions
around prioritizing work – be that time spent by Council on a particular topic
at a meeting or whatever. For example, do the Chairs need / use that sort of
information when drafting meeting agendas, allocating time etc?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D">What was the expected output of this project – how can we all
have got to the end of this very long effort and have failed so miserably in
the eyes of some, to the extent that we cannot salvage anything useful
whatsoever? I agree that the process seemed rather laborious and complex but
was there not some general agreement on some aspects? <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D">I should add at this point that I unfortunately has to miss the
Saturday session in Brussels that was devoted to the Work Prioritization effort
and so do not have the benefit of that Council discussion either and I failed
to see the project’s final stages in action. However, it would be useful for me
to hear again what went so disastrously wrong in the opinion of some – was it
the complexity / amount of effort spent relative to the value of the project
(in which case we can probably all agree on that but look to the results anyway
and try to use them in some way) or the process (ie, was it flawed in some way?
If we all agree on that, then yes, we should scrap the results that we have).
Alternatively, do we simply not know what to now do with the results, in which
case that requires group discussion in my opinion.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D">Many thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D">Caroline.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> Stéphane Van Gelder
[mailto:stephane.vangelder@indom.com] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> 09 August 2010 12:46<br>
<b>To:</b> Caroline Greer<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <<a href="mailto:cgomes@verisign.com">cgomes@verisign.com</a>>; <<a href="mailto:council@gnso.icann.org">council@gnso.icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [council] GNSO Project Prioritization<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">How would you suggest using the model already developed (ie
making use of the work done to date as you suggest)?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The very reason we are wondering how to continue our
prioritisation project is that people deemed the work done so far not to have
produced the desired results. We can recognise that the group who undertook
this work deserve a round of applause for their efforts while still considering
that the result is not applicable to our needs.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">That being the case, if you feel this work can be used going
forward, I think it would help if you explained in greater detail how you think
this can be done, so we can all understand what you have in mind.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Stéphane <br>
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Envoyé de mon iPhone4<o:p></o:p></p>
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Le 9 août 2010 à 12:39, "Caroline Greer" <<a href="mailto:cgreer@mtld.mobi"><a href="mailto:cgreer@mtld.mobi">cgreer@mtld.mobi</a></a>> a écrit :<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Chuck,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">My
‘other’ selection was formed on the same basis. I’d like to think that we can
at least make some use of the work completed to date and then we can focus on
making the process even more efficient and useful going forward.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Kind
regards,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Caroline.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> <a href="mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org"><a href="mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org">owner-council@gnso.icann.org</a></a>
[mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Gomes, Chuck<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 07 August 2010 05:12<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:council@gnso.icann.org"><a href="mailto:council@gnso.icann.org">council@gnso.icann.org</a></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [council] GNSO Project Prioritization</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">In follow-up to the poll we
took in our Council meeting this past week regarding GNSO project prioritization,
for those that selected the</span> <span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">“Other”
choice. Please</span> <span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">respond
on this list with a description of what your</span> <span style="font-family:
"Calibri","sans-serif"">“Other” choice is.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">I will start of by
repeating mine: A combination of option 2 (use the prioritization
exercise results to make</span> <span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">project
decisions going forward) and option 4 (improve the process).</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">For those who did not
participate or did not</span> <span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">vote,
please feel free to submit a new option if you have one.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Thanks, Chuck</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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