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color:#1F497D'>If “public sector policy processes with government” are less
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> owner-council@gnso.icann.org
[mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>rosemary.sinclair@atug.org.au<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 28 October 2010 23:50<br>
<b>To:</b> William Drake; owner-council@gnso.icann.org; Stéphane Van Gelder<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Gomes, Chuck; GNSO Council; Philip Sheppard; Ray Fassett; Avri
Doria; Ken Bour; NCSG EC<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: SPAM-LOW: Re: [council] FW: Voting Remedies due to Absencer<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>As I step onto my plane<br>
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I am involved in many public sector policy processes with government<br>
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None have the degree of bureaucracy we seem to have embedded in our processes<br>
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Needs early review! <br>
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My operational experience managing thousands of people says "Unless it's
simple, it won't happen!"<br>
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Life's too short!<br>
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Rosemary<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Sent from my BlackBerry® from Optus<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b>From: </b>"William Drake"
<william.drake@graduateinstitute.ch> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b>Sender: </b><owner-council@gnso.icann.org> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b>Date: </b>Fri, 29 Oct 2010 04:46:01 +1100<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b>To: </b>Stéphane Van
Gelder<stephane.vangelder@indom.com><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b>Cc: </b>Gomes, Chuck<cgomes@verisign.com>;
<council@gnso.icann.org>; Philip Sheppard<philip.sheppard@aim.be>;
Ray Fassett<ray@goto.jobs>; Avri Doria<avri@psg.com>; Ken
Bour<ken.bour@verizon.net><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b>Subject: </b>SPAM-LOW: Re: [council] FW: Voting Remedies
due to Absencer<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Hi<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>On Oct 28, 2010, at 1:03 PM, Stéphane Van Gelder wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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Thanks for forwarding this Chuck. I think Avri's email makes a lot of sense. I
agree that the rules should not be so cumbersome as to force the Council to
spend more time and effort on admin stuff to the detriment of policy issues. I
have stated several times that I found the current DOI rules we are trying to
work to overly cumbersome, and also voiced my opposition to the way the proxy
rules were interpreted recently as they stopped both an RrSG and an NCSG
councillor from voicing their vote.<br>
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I also share the worry that staff should become "rules enforcers". It
is up to Council leaders to enforce the rules, working with the Council.<br>
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I do hope we can streamline the rules so that the sound theory and good
intentions that went into elaborating them does not stand in the way of the
practical sense needed to apply them in our everyday work.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>I agree with Stéphane and Tim that the proxy rules seem
cumbersome and unduly restrictive. As with the DOI, we should have
had a more probing discussion at the Council level before voting, but there's
no reason why we can't course correct now.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>On 27 Oct 2010, at 23:47, Ken Bour wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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proxy requirements that are addressed in the online form: <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>a. For each motion that is
scheduled to come up for vote, the "Appointing Organization" must
have established an affirmative or negative voting position per its Charter
provisions; and<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>b. For each motion, the
"Appointing Organization" must affirm that is has directed the
Councilor serving as proxy how to vote.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Do I understand correctly that the AO as a whole must
have a unified position one way or the other in order for a Councilor's
vote to be given to colleague, otherwise it is penalized and loses the vote?
Maybe that's ok for any AO's that only allow their Councilors to vote as
specifically directed; no agreement, no direction, nothing lost. It would
not be ok for AO's that allow their Councilors to exercise judgement and do
what they think is right, and hence may not have a singular position. In
this case, the absent Councilor who should have been able to give her/his proxy
to a colleague and say please vote xyz loses the vote for no reason. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>On Oct 27, 2010, at 11:47 PM, Ken Bour wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Book Antiqua","serif";color:#1F497D'>In
the specific case of the NCSG, Staff notes that the “Appointing Organization”
differs between the Board appointees and those Councilors who were elected by
the NCUC. For Mary, Bill, and Wendy, a voting remedy would have to
be authorized by the NCUC Chair (or designated officer); whereas, for Rosemary,
Debbie, and Rafik, there is a footnote in the GNSO Operating Procedures which
stipulates that they are considered to have been appointed by the NCSG.
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<p class=MsoNormal>Ok…So we are not quite NCSG in this context…?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>The NCUC charter says Councilors may "assign their vote
by proxy to the other Constituency GNSO Council Representative for all calls
and meetings for which he/she cannot be present, with or without specific
voting instructions." And the Interim Charter the board gave
NCSG, which presumably is über alles, says only that a Councilor "elected
or appointed pursuant to this Charter shall be subject to the rules,
principles, responsibilities, and duties as set forth in the Charter of the
Constituency that originally nominated him/her for election to the
Council," which for us elected types would be NCUC. So then we three
can individually assign our proxies to each other and exercise proxy votes
irrespective of whether our AO has established an affirmative or negative
voting position? Or do the OPs trump both the NCUC and the NCSG charters?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>I should never try to grok the OPs after a long day….<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Bill<o:p></o:p></p>
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