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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Rafik,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Here is my thinking on the second amendment:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'>Any waiving of fees will reduce the funds available for
processing applications.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'>Because the fees were calculated to cover actual application
processing costs and assuming that the calculations are accurate, there may be
a shortfall of funds to cover application processing costs.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'>How will that shortfall be covered?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'>Keep in mind that there are no specifically designated funds
budgeted in the regular ICANN budget for application processing.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'>In proposing the amendment there was no intention on my part to
pass judgment on the motion itself; rather, it seemed to me that if there is a
shortfall, we should find out whether that has an impact, and if so, have some
idea how that impact will be mitigated.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'>All the amendment does is add another task for the JAS WG,
asking the group to work with Staff to get information on the new gTLD budget
implications if fees are waived and explore ways to mitigate those impacts, if
any.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Does this help?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Rafik Dammak
[mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, November 14, 2010 2:42 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Council GNSO<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Gomes, Chuck; Avri Doria; William Drake<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [council] Announcement from JAS working group<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Hello, <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>I am forwarding Avri's answers to Chuck's questions which
are below. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>For the first amendment, I accept the first one as
friendly.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>about the second ones, I am not understanding the aim, maybe
other rewording can work?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Regards<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Rafik<br>
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<p class=MsoNormal>2010/11/13 Avri Doria <<a href="mailto:avri@psg.com"
target="_blank">avri@psg.com</a>><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal>Dear Chuck,<br>
<br>
Some initial answers from my perspective as one of the co-chairs.<br>
<br>
Of course I do not have Council list posting rights, and am not even sure
whether Rafik and Bill would want my raw answers passed on raw.<br>
<br>
A reminder, as a Joint AC/SO WG this motion is also being put before ALAC. Any
changes etc will eventually need to be ironed out between the two groups.<br>
<br>
My comments in-line.<o:p></o:p></p>
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On 12 Nov 2010, at 09:39, Gomes, Chuck wrote:<br>
<br>
> In advance of our consideration of this motion I want to propose a couple
amendments (re just a typo) and ask a few questions that hopefully can be
answered on the list before our meeting on the 18th.<br>
><br>
> Resolved 1(a)<br>
> · The second sentence of this part of the
resolution says, “Financial need has been established as the primary criterion
for support. The group should be argumented to have the necessary expertise to
make a specific recommendation in this area, especially given the comparative
economic conditions and the cross-cultural aspects of this requirement.”<br>
> · Proposed amendment (typo correction):
In 1(a) under Resolved, change ‘argumented’ to ‘augmented’.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Yes, Thank you for catching that.<br>
<br>
> · Have the experts needed been identified yet?
If not, how will they be identified?<br>
<br>
No. There have been some background conversations with Staff about this and
there was an offer of help in terms of bringing in some visitors to the group
to discuss various issues. Discussing the type of expertise needed would
be an initial item for the WG.<br>
<br>
> · Is it anticipated that adding experts will
require funding? If so, from where would the funding come?<br>
<br>
It has not been anticipated that there will be an expense. But if there
is, we do not have any idea of where funding would come from. Perhaps
Karla can let us know if there is any funding in the new budget for such
support if needed.<br>
<br>
It is also possible that there are volunteers either within the ICANN community
or outside of it who could be brought in without expenses. I tend to look at
this whole process of trying to get help for applicants from developing regions
as pro-bono work. If the charter extensions are approved, I expect I will
make an outreach to people I know, as I expect others in the group would.<o:p></o:p></p>
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><br>
> Resolved 1(c)<br>
> · The resolution says, “Establishing a
framework, including a possible recommendation for a separate ICANN originated
foundation, for managing any auction income, beyond costs. for future rounds
and ongoing assistance”.<br>
> · What does ‘ICANN originated foundation’ mean?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>The specifics are far from clear and hence the work item.
There has been a conversation for a long while, including the days of
GNSO policy making and in some of the DAG discussions, that processing
any funds gained in auctions beyond costs might be best dealt with
outside of normal ICANN budgeting and accounting. This item
recommends that we start working on those idea, including the idea of an
independent foundation set up by ICANN for just this purpose. Of course
we are also looking for funds beyond just auction proceeds, but the source of
those funds is as of yet unclear, and hence a work item.<br>
<br>
> · Has this idea been vetted with the ICANN
General Council’s office?<br>
<br>
Not that I know of. Does looking into this need to be vetted with them?
Certainly they would need to be part of any discussions and planning, and
of course execution if such were ultimately recommended and approved, but do
GNSO and ALAC need their permission to talk about it? This is not
consensus policy that affects contractual conditions. All the JAS WG can
do is make recommendation to our chartering organizations, the community and
the Board.<o:p></o:p></p>
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><br>
> Resolved 1(h)<br>
> · The resolution says, “Review the basis of
the US$100,000 application base fee to determine its full origin and to
determine what percentage of that fee could be waived for applicants meeting
the requirements for assistance.”<br>
> · Understanding that the application fees are
intended to cover application processing costs and no more, from where is it
envisioned that the offset of the fee waivers would come?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>This was discussed in the recommendations themselves.
The suggestion is in keeping with the GNSO policy decision that while the
program needs to be self funding as a whole, there can be differential fees
paid by the applicants.<br>
<br>
For each of the fees that the JAS WG has recommended being waived for
applicants who meet the criteria, there is a reason for why that fee would not
be appropriate for someone from a developing region to have to pay.<br>
<br>
In terms of this US$100,000 fee, however,that basis of that fee was not
clear and hence the need to investigate the basis of that fee further to see if
any parts of it are not appropriate for those from developing regions.<br>
<br>
<br>
> · Proposed amendment: Add a new sentence that
says, “Work with the ICANN new gTLD implementation staff to determine how the
fee waivers would be funded.”<br>
<br>
I would not think this an equivalent item.<br>
<br>
This could be another work item, however..<o:p></o:p></p>
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> If the answers to the questions can be provided in advance of the Council
meeting on 18 November, I think the chances of acting on this motion on the
18th will be increased and the sooner the better so that Councilors can provide
the answers to their respective groups.<br>
><br>
> Rafik/Bill: Do you consider the two proposed amendments as friendly?<br>
><br>
> Chuck<br>
><br>
><br>
><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Thanks<br>
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