<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Hi <div><div><br><div><div>On Nov 17, 2010, at 1:53 PM, Gomes, Chuck wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; font-family: Arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-size: medium; "><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple" style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1; "><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Bill,<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Here’s one example: Some people may not receive any direct financial benefit from participation in GNSO work but they might receive recognition that promotes their reputation and stature in the activities that they are involved in whether that be in academia, in civil society, in government, or whatever. They also may be elevated in stature in groups that appreciate efforts they make to promote certain positions those groups advocate.</span></div></div></div></span></blockquote><div><br></div>Ah. So there's an unwritten definition that maps with the deleted text. And unlike the DOI mechanism, failure to comply with the unwritten rule can result in suspension. Mildly Kafkaesque...</div><div><br></div><div>Like the proxy provision, this really makes no sense to me. Leave aside the fact that serving on the Council usually would not count for beans in an academic setting, and indeed would more likely be held against someone in a conventional academic evaluation where engagement in policy or other earthly matters is regarded as a distraction from real work. Leave aside too the parallel situation in civil society, where serving on Council would be regarded by many as evidence one's been compromised, corrupted, etc (a reality in various CS settings, e.g. IGF…we are suspect in the eyes of many). Even if these weren't true and being on Council really did translate into being "elevated" in some way, then a) this would seem to apply to all Councilors, in which case what's the purpose of the individual declaration; b) it's not obvious how the prospect of elevation would relate to one's specific substantive judgement on anything, since presumably we'd enjoy equal fame and glory whether we vote for or against doing work prioritization and related initiatives; and c) I have no idea how to correctly state an "indirect interest...that may affect, or be perceived to affect" my judgment, not being privy at the front end to how unknown persons may someday choose to perceive or claim to perceive something I said.</div><div><br></div><div>Mary and I have just been reelected by the NCSG membership so this would be an apt time to make any necessary revisions to my SOI. If someone from GCOT or elsewhere could please provide me with specific guidance on how I should revise <a href="http://gnso.icann.org/council/soi/drake-soi-17nov08.html">http://gnso.icann.org/council/soi/drake-soi-17nov08.html</a> in order to avoid the possibility of maybe someday running afoul of unwritten rules based on someone's possible perception, I would really appreciate the help. In the meanwhile I will vote against the motion to approve this.</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks,</div><div><br></div><div>Bill</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple" style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1; "><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#1F497D" face="Calibri, sans-serif" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 15px;"><br></span></font></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="border-top-style: none; border-right-style: none; border-bottom-style: none; border-width: initial; border-color: initial; border-left-style: solid; border-left-color: blue; border-left-width: 1.5pt; padding-top: 0in; padding-right: 0in; padding-bottom: 0in; padding-left: 4pt; "><div><div style="border-right-style: none; border-bottom-style: none; border-left-style: none; border-width: initial; border-color: initial; border-top-style: solid; border-top-color: rgb(181, 196, 223); border-top-width: 1pt; padding-top: 3pt; padding-right: 0in; padding-bottom: 0in; padding-left: 0in; "><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; ">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; "><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">owner-council@gnso.icann.org</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>William Drake<br><b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Wednesday, November 17, 2010 7:12 AM<br><b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>GNSO Council List<br><b>Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [council] MOTION REFERRING TO THE GNSO COUNCIL OPERATIONS PROCEDURES WORK TEAM (GCOT) RECOMMENDATIONS<o:p></o:p></span></div></div></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><o:p> </o:p></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; ">Hi<o:p></o:p></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; ">On SOIs in 5.3.3---Do you have any type of commercial or non-commercial interest in ICANN GNSO policy development processes and outcomes? Please answer “yes” or “no.”—could someone remind me how exactly we're defining a non-commercial interest? It's good that the unworkable language on intangible benefits has been deleted but I'd just like to be sure what needs to be declared under the language that remains…<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; ">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; ">Bill<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><o:p> </o:p></div><div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; ">On Nov 16, 2010, at 7:48 PM, Mike Rodenbaugh wrote:<o:p></o:p></div></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><br><br><o:p></o:p></div><div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Hi, I am unclear whether these revisions were reviewed and approved by the OSC? If so, that should be stated clearly in the motion, that the deliverables are from OSC rather than any work team underneath that Steering Committee. If not, then OSC needs to approve them and send to us. Please help to clarify this.</span><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Thanks,</span><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Mike</span><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Mike Rodenbaugh</span><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">RODENBAUGH LAW</span><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">tel/fax: +1 (415) 738-8087</span><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><a href="http://rodenbaugh.com/" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://rodenbaugh.com</a></span><o:p></o:p></div></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="border-right-style: none; border-bottom-style: none; border-left-style: none; border-width: initial; border-color: initial; border-top-style: solid; padding-top: 3pt; padding-right: 0in; padding-bottom: 0in; padding-left: 0in; border-width: initial; border-color: initial; "><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; ">From:</span></b><span class="apple-converted-space"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; "> </span></span><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; "><a href="mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">owner-council@gnso.icann.org</a><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>[mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org]<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></b><a href="mailto:KnobenW@telekom.de" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">KnobenW@telekom.de</a><br><b>Sent:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Tuesday, November 16, 2010 2:39 AM<br><b>To:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:philip.sheppard@aim.be" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">philip.sheppard@aim.be</a>;<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:ray@goto.jobs" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">ray@goto.jobs</a>;<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:stephane.vangelder@indom.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">stephane.vangelder@indom.com</a><br><b>Cc:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:gnso-osc-ops@icann.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">gnso-osc-ops@icann.org</a>;<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:gnso-osc@icann.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">gnso-osc@icann.org</a>;<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:council@gnso.icann.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">council@gnso.icann.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>[council] MOTION REFERRING TO THE GNSO COUNCIL OPERATIONS PROCEDURES WORK TEAM (GCOT) RECOMMENDATIONS</span><o:p></o:p></div></div></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "> <o:p></o:p></div></div><p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; ">Colleagues,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; ">The first "Resolved" of the a.m. motion (see<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span><a href="https://st.icann.org/gnso-council/index.cgi?18_november_motions" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; ">https://st.icann.org/gnso-council/index.cgi?18_november_motions</span></a><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; ">) reads:</span><o:p></o:p></p><p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "> RESOLVED, that the GNSO Council accepts these deliverables submitted by the GCOT and approved by the OSC and directs Staff to post the aforementioned document for thirty (30) days in the ICANN Public Comment Forum.<o:p></o:p></p><p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; ">I wonder whether the GCOT has submitted and the OSC has approved the proposed revisions to section 5.0<span class="apple-converted-space"><u> </u></span><u>in the version presented.</u><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>To my knowledge the OSC approval was given<span class="apple-converted-space"><u> </u></span><u>including</u> the DOI. In this case I'd like to suggest a friendly amendment as follows:</span><o:p></o:p></p><p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "> RESOLVED, that the GNSO Council accepts these deliverables<span class="apple-converted-space"><s> </s></span><s>submitted by the GCOT and approved by the OSC</s><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>and directs Staff to post the aforementioned document for thirty (30) days in the ICANN Public Comment Forum<o:p></o:p></p><p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; ">Philp's and Ray's advise would be helpful.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; ">There are still references to DOI left in the revision which I've removed (see attached).</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 12pt; "> <o:p></o:p></p><p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; ">Wolf-Ulrich Knoben</span><o:p></o:p></p><p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: black; "><<GNSO Operating Procedures v2 Section 5 Proposed Revisions without DOI 15 Oct 2010 redline (WUK_edit).doc>></span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><o:p> </o:p></div><div><div><div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 13.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: black; ">***********************************************************<br>William J. Drake<br>Senior Associate<br>Centre for International Governance<br>Graduate Institute of International and<br> Development Studies<br>Geneva, Switzerland<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 13.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: black; "><a href="mailto:william.drake@graduateinstitute.ch" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">william.drake@graduateinstitute.ch</a><br><a href="http://www.williamdrake.org/" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">www.williamdrake.org</a><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 13.5pt; "><span style="font-size: 13.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: black; ">***********************************************************<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div><br><div>
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