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color=#0000ff size=2>That was my approach.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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color=#0000ff size=2>My only concern with your suggestion is duplication of work
if other "interested" groups start working about.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=288265020-08122010><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>Perhaps staff could check which groups/projects should
potentially be covered (e.g. the outreach program). </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>Von:</B> owner-council@gnso.icann.org
[mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] <B>Im Auftrag von </B>Drake
William<BR><B>Gesendet:</B> Mittwoch, 8. Dezember 2010 15:15<BR><B>An:</B>
Wolf-Ulrich Knoben<BR><B>Cc:</B> Rafik Dammak; Wolf-Ulrich Knoben; Stéphane
Van Gelder; GNSO Council List<BR><B>Betreff:</B> [council] JAS
amendment<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>W-U
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<DIV>Would this work for you</DIV>
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<DIV>c) Establishing a general framework for the management of any funds
that may be made available for applicant support through auctions [or other
sources].</DIV>
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<DIV>So again, not saying anything about the JAS managing/envisioning either
a) a foundation or b) the disposition of auction funds generally. Just
IF funds are made available through auctions.</DIV>
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<DIV>On Dec 8, 2010, at 5:17 PM, Drake William wrote:</DIV><BR
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<DIV>I would think it necessary for the JAS to be able to consider a basic
framework for how any auction funds that are made available for
applicant support could be managed. Otherwise, the group's long
journey through the woods ends by standing in front of the castle door
without knocking. At the same time, it is easy to understand
Wolf-Ulrich's view that, "one can expect many interested community groups
expressing their needs to share that profit where new applicants are one
group of it," so how a foundation and auctions might work are larger
issues that might better be dealt with through another mechanism.
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<DIV>Wolf-Ulrich, is there a way to split the difference and make it crystal
clear that we're mandating JAS to only look at how at how any auction funds
could be managed, rather than implying that the JAS might do the broader
work? E.g. "Establishing a general framework for the management of any funds
that may be made available for applicant support through auctions
conducted by a separate ICANN originated foundation" or similar?</DIV>
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<DIV>Bill</DIV>
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<DIV>On Dec 8, 2010, at 10:42 AM, Rafik Dammak wrote:</DIV><BR
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<DIV>unfortunately, I cannot consider the amendment to remove 1.c as
friendly amendment.</DIV>
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<DIV>Regards</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Rafik<BR><BR><BR><BR>
<DIV class=gmail_quote>2010/12/8 Stéphane Van Gelder <SPAN dir=ltr><<A
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<DIV>Rafik, Bill, I am unsure if you answered this or not so I apologize
if this is a repost.</DIV>
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<DIV>Did you consider this as a FA?</DIV>
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<DIV>Thanks,</DIV>
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<DIV>Stéphane</DIV>
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size=2><B>Von:</B><SPAN> </SPAN>Gomes, Chuck [mailto:<A
href="mailto:cgomes@verisign.com"
target=_blank>cgomes@verisign.com</A>]<SPAN> </SPAN><BR><B>Gesendet:</B><SPAN> </SPAN>Donnerstag,
2. Dezember 2010
12:41<BR><B>An:</B><SPAN> </SPAN>Knoben,
Wolf-Ulrich;<SPAN> </SPAN><A
style="COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline"
href="mailto:council@gnso.icann.org"
target=_blank>council@gnso.icann.org</A><BR><B>Betreff:</B><SPAN> </SPAN>RE:
[council] Motion for JAS WG charter
extension<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<DIV
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you consider this amendment friendly?</SPAN></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma, sans-serif">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma, sans-serif"><SPAN> </SPAN><A
style="COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline"
href="mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org"
target=_blank>owner-council@gnso.icann.org</A><SPAN> </SPAN>[mailto:<A
href="mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org"
target=_blank>owner-council@gnso.icann.org</A>]<SPAN> </SPAN><B>On
Behalf Of<SPAN> </SPAN></B><A
style="COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline"
href="mailto:KnobenW@telekom.de"
target=_blank>KnobenW@telekom.de</A><BR><B>Sent:</B><SPAN> </SPAN>Thursday,
December 02, 2010 4:08 AM<BR><B>To:</B><SPAN> </SPAN><A
style="COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline"
href="mailto:council@gnso.icann.org"
target=_blank>council@gnso.icann.org</A><BR><B>Subject:</B><SPAN> </SPAN>[council]
Motion for JAS WG charter extension</SPAN></DIV></DIV></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial, sans-serif">All,</SPAN></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial, sans-serif">I'd
like to amend the "Motion for JAS WG charter extension" as
follows:</SPAN></DIV></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial, sans-serif">Remove "Resolved
1. c) Establishing a framework (for consideration etcetera,)
including a possible recommendation for a separate ICANN
originated foundation, for managing any auction income,
beyond costs. for future rounds and ongoing
assistance;"</SPAN></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial, sans-serif">Rationale: </SPAN></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial, sans-serif">First,
I'm convinced the community and ICANN have to be
prepared how to manage any potential new gTLD auction
profit.</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial, sans-serif">As
usual in case profit is available one can expect many
interested community groups expressing their needs to share
that profit where new applicants are one group of it. In
addition parts of the overall ICANN program could also
profit from that fund (e.g. outreach program, DNS
security etc.).</SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial, sans-serif">So
my reservations to this topic being covered by the JAS
group only are:</SPAN></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial, sans-serif">- it
is a too large area for the JAS and would go far beyond
their originally intended scope</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial, sans-serif">-
there are lots of more urgent tasks for this WG as laid down
in the new draft charter. Handling the potential auction
profit is of lower priority on the
timescale .</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial, sans-serif">- as
per definition the JAS view is applicant oriented that would
cause an imbalance</SPAN></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial, sans-serif">As I
pointed out in former e-mails the JAS could express the new
applicants' general interest in taking part in the
distribution of the potential auction profit.</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif"><BR><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial, sans-serif">I
suggest to initiate discussion on council level how to cover
this topic separately and appropriately.<BR><SPAN
style="COLOR: blue"> </SPAN></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial, sans-serif">I'm
in agreement with all other items in the charter and would
be happy if the amendment could be accepted as
friendly .</SPAN></DIV>
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Dammak [mailto:<A href="mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com"
target=_blank>rafik.dammak@gmail.com</A>]<SPAN> </SPAN><BR><B>Gesendet:</B><SPAN> </SPAN>Mittwoch,
1. Dezember 2010
20:58<BR><B>An:</B><SPAN> </SPAN>Knoben,
Wolf-Ulrich<BR><B>Betreff:</B><SPAN> </SPAN>regarding
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Wolf-Ulrich,</DIV>
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your comment last time about JAS motion, I would like to
know what are the reasons for asking to remove the 1.c .
I think that we should find a better and constructive
compromise.what do you think?</DIV></DIV>
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