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<DIV>Picking up on Bill's intent, I was going to suggest something along the lines of:</DIV>
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<DIV>"(c) make recommendations for managing any auction income that would take into account the need for applicant support"</DIV>
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<TD>Drake William <william.drake@graduateinstitute.ch></TD></TR>
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<TD>Wolf-Ulrich Knoben <Wolf-Ulrich.Knoben@t-online.de></TD></TR>
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<TD>Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak@gmail.com>, Wolf-Ulrich Knoben <Wolf-Ulrich.Knoben@t-online.de>, Stéphane Van Gelder<stephane.vangelder@indom.com>, GNSO Council List <council@gnso.icann.org></TD></TR>
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<TD>12/8/2010 3:16 PM</TD></TR>
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<DIV>Would this work for you</DIV>
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<DIV>c) Establishing a general framework for the management of any funds that may be made available for applicant support through auctions [or other sources].</DIV>
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<DIV>So again, not saying anything about the JAS managing/envisioning either a) a foundation or b) the disposition of auction funds generally. Just IF funds are made available through auctions.</DIV>
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<DIV>On Dec 8, 2010, at 5:17 PM, Drake William wrote:</DIV><BR class=Apple-interchange-newline>
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<DIV>I would think it necessary for the JAS to be able to consider a basic framework for how any auction funds that are made available for applicant support could be managed. Otherwise, the group's long journey through the woods ends by standing in front of the castle door without knocking. At the same time, it is easy to understand Wolf-Ulrich's view that, "one can expect many interested community groups expressing their needs to share that profit where new applicants are one group of it," so how a foundation and auctions might work are larger issues that might better be dealt with through another mechanism. </DIV>
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<DIV>Wolf-Ulrich, is there a way to split the difference and make it crystal clear that we're mandating JAS to only look at how at how any auction funds could be managed, rather than implying that the JAS might do the broader work? E.g. "Establishing a general framework for the management of any funds that may be made available for applicant support through auctions conducted by a separate ICANN originated foundation" or similar?</DIV>
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<DIV>On Dec 8, 2010, at 10:42 AM, Rafik Dammak wrote:</DIV><BR class=Apple-interchange-newline>
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<DIV>unfortunately, I cannot consider the amendment to remove 1.c as friendly amendment.</DIV>
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<DIV>Regards</DIV>
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<DIV>Rafik, Bill, I am unsure if you answered this or not so I apologize if this is a repost.</DIV>
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<DIV>Did you consider this as a FA?</DIV>
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<DIV>Thanks,</DIV>
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<FONT size=2 face=Tahoma><B>Von:</B><SPAN> </SPAN>Gomes, Chuck [mailto:<A href="mailto:cgomes@verisign.com" target=_blank>cgomes@verisign.com</A>]<SPAN> </SPAN><BR><B>Gesendet:</B><SPAN> </SPAN>Donnerstag, 2. Dezember 2010 12:41<BR><B>An:</B><SPAN> </SPAN>Knoben, Wolf-Ulrich;<SPAN> </SPAN><A style="COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline" href="mailto:council@gnso.icann.org" target=_blank>council@gnso.icann.org</A><BR><B>Betreff:</B><SPAN> </SPAN>RE: [council] Motion for JAS WG charter extension<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<DIV style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><B><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma, sans-serif; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma, sans-serif; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><SPAN> </SPAN><A style="COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline" href="mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org" target=_blank>owner-council@gnso.icann.org</A><SPAN> </SPAN>[mailto:<A href="mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org" target=_blank>owner-council@gnso.icann.org</A>]<SPAN> </SPAN><B>On Behalf Of<SPAN> </SPAN></B><A style="COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline" href="mailto:KnobenW@telekom.de" target=_blank>KnobenW@telekom.de</A><BR><B>Sent:</B><SPAN> </SPAN>Thursday, December 02, 2010 4:08 AM<BR><B>To:</B><SPAN> </SPAN><A style="COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline" href="mailto:council@gnso.icann.org" target=_blank>council@gnso.icann.org</A><BR><B>Subject:</B><SPAN> </SPAN>[council] Motion for JAS WG charter extension</SPAN></DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial, sans-serif; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">All,</SPAN></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial, sans-serif; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">I'd like to amend the "Motion for JAS WG charter extension" as follows:</SPAN></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial, sans-serif; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Remove "Resolved 1. c) Establishing a framework (for consideration etcetera,) including a possible recommendation for a separate ICANN originated foundation, for managing any auction income, beyond costs. for future rounds and ongoing assistance;"</SPAN></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial, sans-serif; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Rationale: </SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial, sans-serif; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">First, I'm convinced the community and ICANN have to be prepared how to manage any potential new gTLD auction profit.</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial, sans-serif; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">As usual in case profit is available one can expect many interested community groups expressing their needs to share that profit where new applicants are one group of it. In addition parts of the overall ICANN program could also profit from that fund (e.g. outreach program, DNS security etc.).</SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial, sans-serif; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">So my reservations to this topic being covered by the JAS group only are:</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial, sans-serif; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">- it is a too large area for the JAS and would go far beyond their originally intended scope</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial, sans-serif; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">- there are lots of more urgent tasks for this WG as laid down in the new draft charter. Handling the potential auction profit is of lower priority on the timescale .</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial, sans-serif; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">- as per definition the JAS view is applicant oriented that would cause an imbalance</SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial, sans-serif; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">As I pointed out in former e-mails the JAS could express the new applicants' general interest in taking part in the distribution of the potential auction profit.</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><BR><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial, sans-serif; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">I suggest to initiate discussion on council level how to cover this topic separately and appropriately.<BR><SPAN style="COLOR: blue"> </SPAN></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial, sans-serif; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">I'm in agreement with all other items in the charter and would be happy if the amendment could be accepted as friendly .</SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">regarding your comment last time about JAS motion, I would like to know what are the reasons for asking to remove the 1.c . I think that we should find a better and constructive compromise.what do you think?</DIV></DIV>
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