<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">W-U<div><br></div><div>Would this work for you</div><div><br></div><div>c) Establishing a general framework for the management of any funds that may be made available for applicant support through auctions [or other sources].</div><div><br></div><div>So again, not saying anything about the JAS managing/envisioning either a) a foundation or b) the disposition of auction funds generally.  Just IF funds are made available through auctions.</div><div><br><div><div>On Dec 8, 2010, at 5:17 PM, Drake William wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Hi<div><br></div><div>I would think it necessary for the JAS to be able to consider a basic framework for how any auction funds that are made available for applicant support could be managed.  Otherwise, the group's long journey through the woods ends by standing in front of the castle door without knocking.  At the same time, it is easy to understand Wolf-Ulrich's view that, "one can expect many interested community groups expressing their needs to share that profit where new applicants are one group of it,"  so how a foundation and auctions might work are larger issues that might better be dealt with through another mechanism.  </div><div><br></div><div>Wolf-Ulrich, is there a way to split the difference and make it crystal clear that we're mandating JAS to only look at how at how any auction funds could be managed, rather than implying that the JAS might do the broader work? E.g. "Establishing a general framework for the management of any funds that may be made available for applicant support through auctions conducted by a separate ICANN originated foundation" or similar?</div><div><br></div><div>Bill</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><div><div><div>On Dec 8, 2010, at 10:42 AM, Rafik Dammak wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr">Hi Stephane,<div><br></div><div>unfortunately, I cannot consider the amendment to remove 1.c as friendly amendment.</div><div><br></div><div>Regards</div><div><br></div><div>Rafik<br><br>
<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/12/8 Stéphane Van Gelder <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:stephane.vangelder@indom.com">stephane.vangelder@indom.com</a>></span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">

<div style="word-wrap:break-word"><div>Rafik, Bill, I am unsure if you answered this or not so I apologize if this is a repost.</div><div><br></div><div>Did you consider this as a FA?</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks,</div>

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          [mailto:<a href="mailto:cgomes@verisign.com" target="_blank">cgomes@verisign.com</a>]<span> </span><br><b>Gesendet:</b><span> </span>Donnerstag, 2. Dezember 2010 
          12:41<br><b>An:</b><span> </span>Knoben, Wolf-Ulrich;<span> </span><a style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline" href="mailto:council@gnso.icann.org" target="_blank">council@gnso.icann.org</a><br><b>Betreff:</b><span> </span>RE: [council] Motion for JAS 
          WG charter extension<br></font><br></div>
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          you consider this amendment friendly?</span></div>
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          <div style="font-size:12pt;margin:0in 0in 0pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif"><b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma, sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma, sans-serif"><span> </span><a style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline" href="mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org" target="_blank">owner-council@gnso.icann.org</a><span> </span>[mailto:<a href="mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org" target="_blank">owner-council@gnso.icann.org</a>]<span> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span> </span></b><a style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline" href="mailto:KnobenW@telekom.de" target="_blank">KnobenW@telekom.de</a><br>

<b>Sent:</b><span> </span>Thursday, December 02, 2010 
          4:08 AM<br><b>To:</b><span> </span><a style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline" href="mailto:council@gnso.icann.org" target="_blank">council@gnso.icann.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b><span> </span>[council] Motion for JAS WG 
          charter extension</span></div></div></div>
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          <div style="font-size:12pt;margin:0in 0in 0pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial, sans-serif">All,</span></div></div>
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          <div style="font-size:12pt;margin:0in 0in 0pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial, sans-serif">I'd like to 
          amend the "Motion for JAS WG charter extension" as 
          follows:</span></div></div>
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          <div style="font-size:12pt;margin:0in 0in 0pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial, sans-serif">Remove "Resolved 
          1. c) Establishing a framework (for consideration etcetera,) including 
          a possible recommendation for a separate ICANN originated foundation, 
          for managing any auction income, beyond costs. for future rounds and 
          ongoing assistance;"</span></div></div>
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          <div style="font-size:12pt;margin:0in 0in 0pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial, sans-serif">Rationale: </span></div>
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          <div style="font-size:12pt;margin:0in 0in 0pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial, sans-serif">First, I'm 
          convinced the community and ICANN have to be prepared how to 
          manage any potential new gTLD auction 
          profit.</span></div>
          <div style="font-size:12pt;margin:0in 0in 0pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial, sans-serif">As usual in 
          case profit is available one can expect many interested community 
          groups expressing their needs to share that profit where new 
          applicants are one group of it. In addition parts of the overall ICANN 
          program could also profit from that fund (e.g. outreach 
          program, DNS security etc.).</span></div>
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          <div style="font-size:12pt;margin:0in 0in 0pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial, sans-serif">So my 
          reservations to this topic being covered by the JAS 
          group only are:</span></div>
          <div style="font-size:12pt;margin:0in 0in 0pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial, sans-serif">- it is a too 
          large area for the JAS and would go far beyond their originally 
          intended scope</span></div>
          <div style="font-size:12pt;margin:0in 0in 0pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial, sans-serif">- there are 
          lots of more urgent tasks for this WG as laid down in the new draft 
          charter. Handling the potential auction profit is of lower priority on 
          the timescale .</span></div>
          <div style="font-size:12pt;margin:0in 0in 0pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial, sans-serif">- as per 
          definition the JAS view is applicant oriented that would cause an 
          imbalance</span></div>
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          <div style="font-size:12pt;margin:0in 0in 0pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial, sans-serif">As I pointed 
          out in former e-mails the JAS could express the new applicants' 
          general interest in taking part in the distribution of the potential 
          auction profit.</span></div>
          <div style="font-size:12pt;margin:0in 0in 0pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif"><br><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial, sans-serif">I suggest to 
          initiate discussion on council level how to cover this topic 
          separately and appropriately.<br><span style="color:blue"> </span></span></div>
          <div style="font-size:12pt;margin:0in 0in 0pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial, sans-serif">I'm in 
          agreement with all other items in the charter and would be happy 
          if the amendment could be accepted as 
          friendly .</span></div>
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            to Cartagena</span></div>
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              [mailto:<a href="mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com" target="_blank">rafik.dammak@gmail.com</a>]<span> </span><br><b>Gesendet:</b><span> </span>Mittwoch, 1. Dezember 
              2010 20:58<br><b>An:</b><span> </span>Knoben, 
              Wolf-Ulrich<br><b>Betreff:</b><span> </span>regarding your 
              amendment</span><span lang="DE"></span></p>
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              <div style="font-size:12pt;margin:0in 0in 0pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif">Hi 
              Wolf-Ulrich,</div>
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              <div style="font-size:12pt;margin:0in 0in 0pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif">regarding 
              your comment last time about JAS motion, I would like to know what 
              are the reasons for asking to remove the 1.c . I think that we 
              should find a better and constructive compromise.what do you 
              think?</div></div>
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