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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple style='word-wrap: break-word;-webkit-nbsp-mode: space;-webkit-line-break: after-white-space'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I think it is dangerous to assume any use of auction funds when you have no idea that there will even be any or that there will be enough to be utilized in this manner.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>If this is your only source of funding then I think you may want to widen the circle.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-AU style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Adrian Kinderis</span></b><span lang=EN-AU style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><br><br><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> owner-council@gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Drake William<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, December 08, 2010 3:17 AM<br><b>To:</b> Rafik Dammak; Wolf-Ulrich Knoben<br><b>Cc:</b> Stéphane Van Gelder; GNSO Council<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [council] Motion for JAS WG charter extension<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Hi<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I would think it necessary for the JAS to be able to consider a basic framework for how any auction funds that are made available for applicant support could be managed. Otherwise, the group's long journey through the woods ends by standing in front of the castle door without knocking. At the same time, it is easy to understand Wolf-Ulrich's view that, "one can expect many interested community groups expressing their needs to share that profit where new applicants are one group of it," so how a foundation and auctions might work are larger issues that might better be dealt with through another mechanism. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Wolf-Ulrich, is there a way to split the difference and make it crystal clear that we're mandating JAS to only look at how at how any auction funds could be managed, rather than implying that the JAS might do the broader work? E.g. "Establishing a general framework for the management of any funds that may be made available for applicant support through auctions conducted by a separate ICANN originated foundation" or similar?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Bill<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Dec 8, 2010, at 10:42 AM, Rafik Dammak wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Hi Stephane,<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>unfortunately, I cannot consider the amendment to remove 1.c as friendly amendment.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Regards<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Rafik<br><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>2010/12/8 Stéphane Van Gelder <<a href="mailto:stephane.vangelder@indom.com">stephane.vangelder@indom.com</a>><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Rafik, Bill, I am unsure if you answered this or not so I apologize if this is a repost.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Did you consider this as a FA?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Thanks,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Stéphane<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span lang=DE style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'><hr size=3 width="100%" align=center></span></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:13.5pt'><b><span lang=DE style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Von:</span></b><span lang=DE style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Gomes, Chuck [mailto:<a href="mailto:cgomes@verisign.com" target="_blank">cgomes@verisign.com</a>] <br><b>Gesendet:</b> Donnerstag, 2. Dezember 2010 12:41<br><b>An:</b> Knoben, Wolf-Ulrich; <a href="mailto:council@gnso.icann.org" target="_blank">council@gnso.icann.org</a><br><b>Betreff:</b> RE: [council] Motion for JAS WG charter extension</span><span lang=DE style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Rafik/Bill,</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Do you consider this amendment friendly?</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Chuck</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div style='border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt;border-right-color:initial;border-top-color:initial;border-bottom-color:initial;z-index:auto'><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <a href="mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org" target="_blank">owner-council@gnso.icann.org</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org" target="_blank">owner-council@gnso.icann.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b><a href="mailto:KnobenW@telekom.de" target="_blank">KnobenW@telekom.de</a><br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, December 02, 2010 4:08 AM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:council@gnso.icann.org" target="_blank">council@gnso.icann.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> [council] Motion for JAS WG charter extension</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>All,</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>I'd like to amend the "Motion for JAS WG charter extension" as follows:</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Remove "Resolved 1. c) Establishing a framework (for consideration etcetera,) including a possible recommendation for a separate ICANN originated foundation, for managing any auction income, beyond costs. for future rounds and ongoing assistance;"</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Rationale: </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>First, I'm convinced the community and ICANN have to be prepared how to manage any potential new gTLD auction profit.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>As usual in case profit is available one can expect many interested community groups expressing their needs to share that profit where new applicants are one group of it. In addition parts of the overall ICANN program could also profit from that fund (e.g. outreach program, DNS security etc.).</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>So my reservations to this topic being covered by the JAS group only are:</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>- it is a too large area for the JAS and would go far beyond their originally intended scope</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>- there are lots of more urgent tasks for this WG as laid down in the new draft charter. Handling the potential auction profit is of lower priority on the timescale .</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>- as per definition the JAS view is applicant oriented that would cause an imbalance</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>As I pointed out in former e-mails the JAS could express the new applicants' general interest in taking part in the distribution of the potential auction profit.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><br><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>I suggest to initiate discussion on council level how to cover this topic separately and appropriately.<br><span style='color:blue'> </span></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>I'm in agreement with all other items in the charter and would be happy if the amendment could be accepted as friendly .</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Save travels to Cartagena</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=DE style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Wolf-Ulrich </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span lang=DE><hr size=2 width="100%" align=center></span></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><b><span lang=DE style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Von:</span></b><span lang=DE style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Rafik Dammak [mailto:<a href="mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com" target="_blank">rafik.dammak@gmail.com</a>] <br><b>Gesendet:</b> Mittwoch, 1. Dezember 2010 20:58<br><b>An:</b> Knoben, Wolf-Ulrich<br><b>Betreff:</b> regarding your amendment</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Hi Wolf-Ulrich,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>regarding your comment last time about JAS motion, I would like to know what are the reasons for asking to remove the 1.c . I think that we should find a better and constructive compromise.what do you think?<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Regards<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Rafik<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></blockquote></blockquote></div></div></blockquote></blockquote></div></blockquote></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></blockquote></blockquote></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>***********************************************************<br>William J. Drake<br>Senior Associate<br>Centre for International Governance<br>Graduate Institute of International and<br> Development Studies<br>Geneva, Switzerland<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><a href="mailto:william.drake@graduateinstitute.ch">william.drake@graduateinstitute.ch</a><br>www.williamdrake.org<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:13.5pt'><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>***********************************************************<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></div></body></html>