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<DIV>I support Option 1, and add for good measure that I agree with Bill and Alan.</DIV>
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<DIV>Bearing in mind that the JAS WG is a cross-community working group consisting of volunteers from within and outside the GNSO, I believe we can trust the WG to highlight the points of distinction as to where its recommendations are within or outside the GNSO charter. As such, I don't think the Council will have to do too much in terms of separating out the various parts; perhaps we can follow up with a note to the WG to request such delineation in their report.</DIV>
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<DIV>Cheers</DIV>
<DIV>Mary<BR><BR></DIV>
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<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=#800080>Mary W S Wong</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
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<TD><STRONG>From: </STRONG></TD>
<TD>Stéphane Van Gelder<stephane.vangelder@indom.com></TD></TR>
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<TD><STRONG>To:</STRONG></TD>
<TD>Drake William <william.drake@graduateinstitute.ch></TD></TR>
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<TD>GNSO Council <council@gnso.icann.org>, Bruce Tonkin <Bruce.Tonkin@melbourneit.com.au></TD></TR>
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<TD><STRONG>Date: </STRONG></TD>
<TD>1/21/2011 3:02 PM</TD></TR>
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<TD>Re: [council] JAS</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><BR>Bill,<BR><BR>You are right to note the diversity of votes, but then end result is the motion the Council ended up passing. That is what we have to work with, not the previous motion.<BR><BR>So if I summarize the current proposals, we can either ask the JAS WG to work with both charters and highlight which charter it is responding to, where, when it comes to draft its report. Or we can ask the WG to work on the base charter, and "add" the parts that ALAC agreed to.<BR><BR>There are major differences in both approaches. Option 2 means the WG produces a report that the GNSO Council can endorse as-is. Option 1 may mean that the Council has to "pick and choose" which bits of the report it wants to endorse, and which it doesn't.<BR><BR>Stéphane<BR><BR>Le 21 janv. 2011 à 16:30, Drake William a écrit :<BR><BR><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; FONT-VARIANT: normal; FONT-STYLE: normal; COLOR: #000000; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-WEIGHT: normal">> </SPAN><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; FONT-VARIANT: normal; FONT-STYLE: normal; COLOR: #000000; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-WEIGHT: normal"><BR></SPAN><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; FONT-VARIANT: normal; FONT-STYLE: normal; COLOR: #000000; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-WEIGHT: normal">> Hi</SPAN><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; FONT-VARIANT: normal; FONT-STYLE: normal; COLOR: #000000; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-WEIGHT: normal"><BR></SPAN><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; FONT-VARIANT: normal; FONT-STYLE: normal; COLOR: #000000; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-WEIGHT: normal">> </SPAN><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; FONT-VARIANT: normal; FONT-STYLE: normal; COLOR: #000000; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-WEIGHT: normal"><BR></SPAN><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; FONT-VARIANT: normal; FONT-STYLE: normal; COLOR: #000000; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-WEIGHT: normal">> On Jan 21, 2011, at 1:06 PM, Stéphane Van Gelder wrote:</SPAN><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; FONT-VARIANT: normal; FONT-STYLE: normal; COLOR: #000000; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-WEIGHT: normal"><BR></SPAN><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; FONT-VARIANT: normal; FONT-STYLE: normal; COLOR: #000000; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-WEIGHT: normal">> </SPAN><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; FONT-VARIANT: normal; FONT-STYLE: normal; COLOR: #000000; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-WEIGHT: normal"><BR></SPAN><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; FONT-VARIANT: normal; FONT-STYLE: normal; COLOR: #000000; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-WEIGHT: normal">>></SPAN><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; FONT-VARIANT: normal; FONT-STYLE: normal; COLOR: #000000; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-WEIGHT: normal"> </SPAN><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; FONT-VARIANT: normal; FONT-STYLE: normal; COLOR: #000000; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-WEIGHT: normal"><BR></SPAN><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; FONT-VARIANT: normal; FONT-STYLE: normal; COLOR: #000000; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-WEIGHT: normal">>></SPAN><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; FONT-VARIANT: normal; FONT-STYLE: normal; COLOR: #000000; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-WEIGHT: normal"> Councillors,</SPAN><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; FONT-VARIANT: normal; FONT-STYLE: normal; COLOR: #000000; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-WEIGHT: normal"><BR></SPAN><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; FONT-VARIANT: normal; FONT-STYLE: normal; COLOR: #000000; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-WEIGHT: normal">>></SPAN><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; FONT-VARIANT: normal; FONT-STYLE: normal; COLOR: #000000; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-WEIGHT: normal"> </SPAN><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; FONT-VARIANT: normal; FONT-STYLE: normal; COLOR: #000000; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-WEIGHT: normal"><BR></SPAN><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; FONT-VARIANT: normal; FONT-STYLE: normal; COLOR: #000000; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-WEIGHT: normal">>></SPAN><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; FONT-VARIANT: normal; FONT-STYLE: normal; COLOR: #000000; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-WEIGHT: normal"> Bruce and I have been discussing the JAS situation off list and he has a suggestion on another possible way forward we might consider. I would like to make it clear this is being presented in both Bruce and myself's personal capacity. This is just us brainstorming the issue, not suggesting ways forward as Board member and GNSO Chair.</SPAN><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; FONT-VARIANT: normal; FONT-STYLE: normal; COLOR: #000000; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-WEIGHT: normal"><BR></SPAN><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; FONT-VARIANT: normal; FONT-STYLE: normal; COLOR: #000000; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-WEIGHT: normal">>></SPAN><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; FONT-VARIANT: normal; FONT-STYLE: normal; COLOR: #000000; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-WEIGHT: normal"> </SPAN><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; FONT-VARIANT: normal; FONT-STYLE: normal; COLOR: #000000; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-WEIGHT: normal"><BR></SPAN><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; FONT-VARIANT: normal; FONT-STYLE: normal; COLOR: #000000; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-WEIGHT: normal">>></SPAN><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; FONT-VARIANT: normal; FONT-STYLE: normal; COLOR: #000000; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-WEIGHT: normal"> One thing the GNSO could look at is asking the JAS WG to work on topics of mutual interest or common ground as defined in the GNSO motion. ALAC could take items that are in addition back for their own internal discussion. They could then look at providing advice to the Board directly.</SPAN><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; FONT-VARIANT: normal; FONT-STYLE: normal; COLOR: #000000; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-WEIGHT: normal"><BR></SPAN><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; FONT-VARIANT: normal; FONT-STYLE: normal; COLOR: #000000; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-WEIGHT: normal">> </SPAN><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; FONT-VARIANT: normal; FONT-STYLE: normal; COLOR: #000000; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-WEIGHT: normal"><BR></SPAN><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; FONT-VARIANT: normal; FONT-STYLE: normal; COLOR: #000000; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-WEIGHT: normal">> Alternatively, as Alan suggested, JAS could work on both and produce a report in which the two sets of issues and recs are clearly delineated and the Council considers adopting those under its charter. </SPAN><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; FONT-VARIANT: normal; FONT-STYLE: normal; COLOR: #000000; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-WEIGHT: normal"><BR></SPAN><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; FONT-VARIANT: normal; FONT-STYLE: normal; COLOR: #000000; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-WEIGHT: normal">> </SPAN><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; FONT-VARIANT: normal; FONT-STYLE: normal; COLOR: #000000; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-WEIGHT: normal"><BR></SPAN><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; FONT-VARIANT: normal; FONT-STYLE: normal; COLOR: #000000; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-WEIGHT: normal">>></SPAN><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; FONT-VARIANT: normal; FONT-STYLE: normal; COLOR: #000000; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-WEIGHT: normal"> </SPAN><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; FONT-VARIANT: normal; FONT-STYLE: normal; COLOR: #000000; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-WEIGHT: normal"><BR></SPAN><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; FONT-VARIANT: normal; FONT-STYLE: normal; COLOR: #000000; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-WEIGHT: normal">>></SPAN><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; FONT-VARIANT: normal; FONT-STYLE: normal; COLOR: #000000; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-WEIGHT: normal"> As far as we are concerned, even though this is a CWG, it is still up to us as the GNSO to endorse those items we agree with and formally provide our recommendation to the Board.</SPAN><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; FONT-VARIANT: normal; FONT-STYLE: normal; COLOR: #000000; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-WEIGHT: normal"><BR></SPAN><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; FONT-VARIANT: normal; FONT-STYLE: normal; COLOR: #000000; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-WEIGHT: normal">> </SPAN><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; FONT-VARIANT: normal; FONT-STYLE: normal; COLOR: #000000; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-WEIGHT: normal"><BR></SPAN><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; FONT-VARIANT: normal; FONT-STYLE: normal; COLOR: #000000; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-WEIGHT: normal">> Right, but does endorsing only those we agree with necessarily require that we try to go out and block colleagues in a CWG from working on those we don't?</SPAN><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; FONT-VARIANT: normal; FONT-STYLE: normal; COLOR: #000000; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-WEIGHT: normal"><BR></SPAN><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; FONT-VARIANT: normal; FONT-STYLE: normal; COLOR: #000000; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-WEIGHT: normal">> </SPAN><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; FONT-VARIANT: normal; FONT-STYLE: normal; COLOR: #000000; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-WEIGHT: normal"><BR></SPAN><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; FONT-VARIANT: normal; FONT-STYLE: normal; COLOR: #000000; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-WEIGHT: normal">> Also, as we go forward, can we please bear in mind that 12 Councilors voted against the JAS' version and 8 voted for it? And that the previous Council endorsed the JAS launch the board asked for, and that anyone who had issues with the direction of its work could have joined it to 'right' the course, etc? There are a diversity of views here, even if not everyone has the stomach to jump in and react to every ripe statement about JAS and the concerns it's trying to address.</SPAN><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; FONT-VARIANT: normal; FONT-STYLE: normal; COLOR: #000000; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-WEIGHT: normal"><BR></SPAN><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; FONT-VARIANT: normal; FONT-STYLE: normal; COLOR: #000000; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-WEIGHT: normal">>></SPAN><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; FONT-VARIANT: normal; FONT-STYLE: normal; COLOR: #000000; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-WEIGHT: normal"> </SPAN><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; FONT-VARIANT: normal; FONT-STYLE: normal; COLOR: #000000; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-WEIGHT: normal"><BR></SPAN><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; FONT-VARIANT: normal; FONT-STYLE: normal; COLOR: #000000; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-WEIGHT: normal">>></SPAN><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; FONT-VARIANT: normal; FONT-STYLE: normal; COLOR: #000000; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-WEIGHT: normal"> Also, to avoid confusion between use of the term working group within the GNSO procedures, maybe the joint SO/AC groups could be called "discussion forums".</SPAN><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; FONT-VARIANT: normal; FONT-STYLE: normal; COLOR: #000000; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-WEIGHT: normal"><BR></SPAN><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; FONT-VARIANT: normal; FONT-STYLE: normal; COLOR: #000000; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-WEIGHT: normal">> </SPAN><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; FONT-VARIANT: normal; FONT-STYLE: normal; COLOR: #000000; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-WEIGHT: normal"><BR></SPAN><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; FONT-VARIANT: normal; FONT-STYLE: normal; COLOR: #000000; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-WEIGHT: normal">> How about Council Uber Alles Forums? Not a great acronym but it'd capture the spirit of the thing.</SPAN><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; FONT-VARIANT: normal; FONT-STYLE: normal; COLOR: #000000; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-WEIGHT: normal"><BR></SPAN><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; FONT-VARIANT: normal; FONT-STYLE: normal; COLOR: #000000; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-WEIGHT: normal">> </SPAN><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; FONT-VARIANT: normal; FONT-STYLE: normal; COLOR: #000000; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-WEIGHT: normal"><BR></SPAN><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; FONT-VARIANT: normal; FONT-STYLE: normal; COLOR: #000000; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-WEIGHT: normal">> Bill</SPAN><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; FONT-VARIANT: normal; FONT-STYLE: normal; COLOR: #000000; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-WEIGHT: normal"><BR></SPAN><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; FONT-VARIANT: normal; FONT-STYLE: normal; COLOR: #000000; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-WEIGHT: normal">> </SPAN><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; FONT-VARIANT: normal; FONT-STYLE: normal; COLOR: #000000; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-WEIGHT: normal"><BR></SPAN><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; FONT-VARIANT: normal; FONT-STYLE: normal; COLOR: #000000; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-WEIGHT: normal">> </SPAN><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; FONT-VARIANT: normal; FONT-STYLE: normal; COLOR: #000000; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-WEIGHT: normal"><BR><BR><BR></SPAN></DIV></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><BR>
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