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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple style='word-wrap: break-word;-webkit-nbsp-mode: space;-webkit-line-break: after-white-space'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>They can’t post straight to the list?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-AU style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Adrian Kinderis</span></b><span lang=EN-AU style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><br><br><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> owner-council@gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Stéphane Van Gelder<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, January 25, 2011 8:00 PM<br><b>To:</b> council@gnso.icann.org Council<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [council] Sponsorship of the ICANN Meetings<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>On this topic, FYI, I am expecting an update or response from Staff in the next few days.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I will send this on to the Council list when I get it.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Stéphane<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Le 24 janv. 2011 à 18:12, carlos dionisio aguirre a écrit :<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Dear Kristina: <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>The benefit for participate like sponsor must be measured by who want to be sponsor, not by ICANN.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>ICANN (or your financial manager) must measure and evaluate, the absense of sponsors. The situation is totally different and contrary. The rules of Economy are mandatories on that. Each one play their game.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>On the other side and in the instance to somebody think, that ICANN must to have registration fees: Im totally against on that, because:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>ICANN have a underlying principles, like participation and bottom up process, appart to be a" non profit organization". Where do you include this, when you decide to make that the people pay for participate?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Yes, I know (perhaps the response is) the people can participate remotely. But you & me know that is not the same.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>ICANN model is good for me, if you make business with ICANN and have incomes for this businesses, and you want to have publicity within the meetings, so, you must pay for that. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Im not completely sure, but Is not mandatory to be sponsor. Am I wrong? <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>If you, like a Internet Industry company, want to make your product or service be visible, have no much more options. publicity, and pay to be sponsor. How Much ? The company decide if it appropriate or not. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>That means: free market. ICANN fix the price to be sponsor, and the candidate to be sponsor must decide if will be or not. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>After that, there are many other considerations to do, but I think this is the essential. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From my humble point of view .<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><b><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>Carlos Dionisio Aguirre</span></b></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>NCA GNSO Council - ICANN<br>former ALAC member by LACRALO<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Abogado - Especialista en Derecho de los Negocios<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Sarmiento 71 - 4to. 18 Cordoba - Argentina -<br>*54-351-424-2123 / 423-5423<br><a href="http://ar.ageiadensi.org" target="_blank">http://ar.ageiadensi.org</a><span class=apple-converted-space> </span><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'><br><br><br><o:p></o:p></span></p><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'><hr size=3 width="100%" align=center id=stopSpelling></span></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><a href="mailto:krosette@cov.com">krosette@cov.com</a><br>To:<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><a href="mailto:council@gnso.icann.org">council@gnso.icann.org</a><br>Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2011 09:50:34 -0500<br>Subject: RE: [council] Sponsorship of the ICANN Meetings<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span class=ecx756294514-24012011><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'>It seems to me that if we're going to be talking about sponsorship, we should also be talking about whether it's time for ICANN to start charging a registration fee to attend the meetings. I was dumbstruck when I attended my first ICANN meeting and found out that there's no charge to attend. Every other meeting I attend has a registration fee and some are quite high ($750+). </span></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span class=ecx756294514-24012011><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'>Let me be clear: I'm NOT suggesting that ICANN should start charging a registration fee so that the meetings are revenue generators. I do think, though, that it's time to examine whether the costs of the meetings are high enough so that it makes sense to charge some fee that can be used to offset those costs. In addition, the more ICANN can recover through registration fees, the less money it needs from sponsors. </span></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span class=ecx756294514-24012011><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'>As to the sponsorship fee, the prices and "benefits" are at the point where there's an optics issue, IMHO.</span></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span class=ecx756294514-24012011><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'>K</span></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'><hr size=3 width="100%" align=center></span></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span class=apple-converted-space><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> </span></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'><a href="mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org">owner-council@gnso.icann.org</a><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>[mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org]<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></b>Stéphane Van Gelder<br><b>Sent:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Monday, January 24, 2011 3:40 AM<br><b>To:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Adrian Kinderis<br><b>Cc:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span><a href="mailto:council@gnso.icann.org">council@gnso.icann.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Re: [council] Sponsorship of the ICANN Meetings<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>I see no reason why this could not be discussed here.<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Is there anyone from Staff that can address Adrian's questions?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>As far as the Council taking a position on this, what do others think? Is there a desire to work on drafting a letter on this topic?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Stéphane<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Le 23 janv. 2011 à 09:49, Adrian Kinderis a écrit :<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Stephane,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>I am not sure of the correct forum to bring this up however I do so here…<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>I have been contacted by a number of my constituents regarding the severe raising of pricing of the sponsorship packages for the upcoming San Francisco meeting.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>In most cases prices within the different levels of sponsorship packages have doubled and it seem that ICANN is trying to secure a few sponsors at $500,000. This seems, to me at least, just plain crazy!<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>My organization has sponsored on a number of occasions and are potentially again this time. However I am concerned of these changes and the impact they may have.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>The reason I bring it up in this forum is because I wonder if this is something the Council could take a position of. We all benefit from a healthy participation of sponsors. Without them the meetings would not exist. However, I believe ICANN is being just plain greedy and this could potentially harm future meetings.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Your thoughts would be appreciated.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><b><span lang=EN-AU style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Adrian Kinderis</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></blockquote></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></blockquote></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></body></html>