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<body class='hmmessage'>Carlos,<br/><br/>Was referring to Avri's posts. Assumed those were general views of NCSG. Apologize if not. But my point about what the Council is supposed to be doing remains.<br/><br/>Tim<hr/><div><b>From: </b> carlos dionisio aguirre <carlosaguirre62@hotmail.com>
</div><div><b>Date: </b>Mon, 23 May 2011 15:05:32 +0000</div><div><b>To: </b><tim@godaddy.com>; <hughesdeb@usa.redcross.org>; <owner-council@gnso.icann.org>; <mary.wong@law.unh.edu>; <stephane.vangelder@indom.com>; <knobenw@telekom.de>; william Drake<william.drake@uzh.ch></div><div><b>Cc: </b><council@gnso.icann.org></div><div><b>Subject: </b>RE: : [council] Fwd: Follow-up to the second JAS WG report</div><div><br/></div>
Tim: I would like if you could clarify the sentence "We could likely argue for weeks about the inaccuracy of some of the NCSG comments in blogs, etc. about contracted parties" . I consider necessary determinate in a clear way the names of NCSG`s, and facts wich you mention, because you can not involve every NCSG members on this. And when you say "some" unfortunatelly you are mentioning to all. thanks<br><br><br><h3><font face="Verdana, Geneva, Arial, Sans-serif">Carlos Dionisio Aguirre</font></h3>
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If that is our duty we will have little time for anything else. We could likely argue for weeks about the inaccuracy of some of the NCSG comments in blogs, etc. about contracted parties. Fortunately, our charge is fairly simple, manage the policy process. Let's just stick to that, please.<br><br>Tim<br><hr><div><b>From: </b> <HughesDeb@usa.redcross.org>
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</div><div><b>Date: </b>Mon, 23 May 2011 10:17:33 -0400</div><div><b>To: </b><Mary.Wong@law.unh.edu>; <stephane.vangelder@indom.com>; <KnobenW@telekom.de>; <william.drake@uzh.ch></div><div><b>Cc: </b><council@gnso.icann.org></div><div><b>Subject: </b>RE: : [council] Fwd: Follow-up to the second JAS WG report</div><div><br></div>
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owner-council@gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] <b><span style="font-weight:bold">On Behalf Of </span></b>Mary.Wong@law.unh.edu<br>
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<b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> stephane.vangelder@indom.com;
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indicated on the Council call, I believe it's our duty to correct factual
misrepresentations that we know have taken place by/within the GNSO community.
As such, I support sending the letter as Stephane now has it (i.e. including
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:.0001pt"><font face="Segoe UI" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:'Segoe UI'">I note
also that neither this version nor my earlier attempts to achieve a similar
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:.0001pt"><font face="Segoe UI" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:'Segoe UI'">As Jeff
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:.0001pt"><font color="blue" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">Thanks both, Bill and Stéphane. I think this is acceptable.</span></font></p>
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Stéphane Van Gelder [mailto:stephane.vangelder@indom.com] <br>
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clarity, I believe this is the excerpt from the blog post that Bill is
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awaiting guidance from the Joint Applicant Support (JAS) Working Group
who submitted their report <strong><b><u><font face="Arial"><span style="font-family:Arial">directly</span></font></u></b></strong> to
the Board over this past weekend. It's not clear why the GNSO was
circumvented from the process, or how that will be addressed by the
Board. While the ICANN Community all seem to agree there needs to be a
mechanism for providing support to needy applicants, a workable solution
needs to be found. I've not read the full report yet, but am hopeful.</span></font><font size="2"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"></span></font></li>
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consensus and moving ahead with this, Jeff or anyone else, is it really such
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the fact that the Board could get the wrong idea about the report and not
understand that it hasn't been approved yet, which is the rationale behind us
working on this message in the first place, then it does not seem totally out
of place to also address another misunderstanding that some worry might
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think the misunderstanding exists. Let's not forget that some of us didn't
think that the first misunderstanding (about the Board not getting the fact
that the report hasn't been approved) existed and yet, they still agreed to
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:.0001pt"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Le 23 mai 2011 à 14:17,
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:.0001pt"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">On May 23, 2011, at
2:03 PM, <<a href="mailto:KnobenW@telekom.de">KnobenW@telekom.de</a>>
<<a href="mailto:KnobenW@telekom.de">KnobenW@telekom.de</a>> wrote:</span></font></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:.0001pt"><font color="blue" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">could you please provide me with the "false information
circulated"? Sorry, I forget too many things.</span></font></p>
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previously the fact that there were people running around saying that JAS had
directly submitted its report to the Board in some sort of dastardly plot to
circumvent the GNSO Council. These rumblings were then put into words
on a widely read blog <a href="http://www.circleid.com/posts/20110512_icann_tiptoes_through_political_minefield_new_tlds/" target="_blank">http://www.circleid.com/posts/20110512_icann_tiptoes_through_political_minefield_new_tlds/</a> which
prompted Alan and other JAS members to issue corrections. I don't know
whether those corrections have been widely read and internalized or if there
are still people out there laboring under misunderstandings. But I
would think the Council would have a self-interest in stating for the record
that the process was followed and it was not dissed.</span></font></p>
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