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> Subject: AW: [council] Re: Suggested election time lines<br>
> From: KnobenW@telekom.de<br>
> Date: Fri, July 15, 2011 1:46 am<br>
> To: <Mary.Wong@law.unh.edu><br>
> Cc: <council@gnso.icann.org><br>
> <br>
> Â <br>
> I understand the issues raised by the NCSG. <br>
> However I'm opposed to postpone council chair elections. I'm also not a <br>
> friend of mixing up competencies of different institutions (SG/constituency and <br>
> council). My proposal (for this time) covered by the rules and <br>
> bylaws:<br>
> Â <br>
> - take option 1 of Stéphane's paper: this allows for 3 <br>
> weeks more time of candidate nomination than option 2<br>
> - in case new councillors <br>
> can't be seated in time let the incumbents vote<br>
> Â <br>
> This discussion arises only from the requirement that new <br>
> council members should be given a chance to vote and the time constraints <br>
> between chair election and new council seating. To my knowledge it was not <br>
> covered during the bylaws and rules of procedure review. It could be an agenda <br>
> item for the SCI to find a viable solution for the future - if the council so <br>
> wishes.<br>
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> Kind regards<br>
> Wolf-Ulrich <br>
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> <br>
> Von: owner-council@gnso.icann.org <br>
> [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] Im Auftrag von <br>
> Mary.Wong@law.unh.edu<br>
> Gesendet: Freitag, 15. Juli 2011 <br>
> 01:12<br>
> Cc: Council GNSO<br>
> Betreff: RE: [council] Re: <br>
> Suggested election time lines<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> Hello - I can try to explain some of the issues. NCSG intends fully to <br>
> comply with and meet all the mandated deadlines; however, the Council should <br>
> know that we are probably laboring under greater pressure than most of the <br>
> other groups. This is because the new NCSG Charter was just approved by the <br>
> Board in Singapore, and we've also had a large number of new members (both <br>
> directly into the SG and through the newly-approved Not for Profit Operational <br>
> Concerns (NPOC) Constituency). We will also have to elect (or re-elect, as may <br>
> happen) 4 Councilors, including transitioning from having 3 Board appointed <br>
> Councilors to all Councilors being elected by the SG (i.e. under the approved <br>
> Charter, elections for Council seats are SG-wide, not via Constituencies), <br>
> which can happen only procedurally after the new Charter is formally approved <br>
> and accepted by the SG membership. <br>
> Mind you, I'm not making an early excuse for delay - like I said, we <br>
> (especially our SG Chair and Executive Committee) are working hard to make <br>
> sure not only that all relevant time lines are met, but that the elections are <br>
> sufficiently well-publicized so that we will have good candidates coming <br>
> forward (from various geographical regions, as mandated by our Charter) and <br>
> that all SG members (especially the newer ones) know about the elections and <br>
> can participate fully. <br>
> Hopefully this explains some of the concerns that have been raised and <br>
> gives the Council a sense of what we are having to do within NCSG. <br>
> <br>
> Cheers <br>
> Mary  <br>
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> From: <br>
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> Adrian Kinderis <br>
> <adrian@ausregistry.com.au> <br>
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> To: <br>
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> <br>
> Stéphane Van <br>
> Gelder<stephane.vangelder@indom.com>, "Neuman, Jeff" <br>
> <Jeff.Neuman@neustar.us> <br>
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> CC: <br>
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> Wendy Seltzer <br>
> <wendy@seltzer.com>, Council GNSO <br>
> <council@gnso.icann.org> <br>
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> Date: <br>
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> 7/14/2011 5:59 PM <br>
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> Subject: <br>
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> <br>
> RE: [council] Re: <br>
> Suggested election time lines <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> I agree with Jeff and <br>
> SVG.<br>
> <br>
> How typical of our GNSO/ ICANN psyche that we instantly look <br>
> to move a deadline rather than address the issue of <br>
> tardiness...<br>
> <br>
> Adrian Kinderis<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> -----Original <br>
> Message-----<br>
> From: owner-council@gnso.icann.org <br>
> [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of Stéphane Van <br>
> Gelder<br>
> Sent: Friday, 15 July 2011 7:42 AM<br>
> To: Neuman, Jeff<br>
> Cc: <br>
> Wendy Seltzer; Council GNSO<br>
> Subject: Re: [council] Re: Suggested <br>
> election time lines<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> Agree with Jeff that extending is not an <br>
> option. If SGs find they cannot elect their new reps in time for Dakar, <br>
> then they should look to extend the terms of their own Councillors so as <br>
> not to impact the bylaw-mandated leadership election <br>
> timeline.<br>
> <br>
> Thanks,<br>
> <br>
> Stéphane<br>
> <br>
> Envoyé de mon <br>
> iPhone4<br>
> <br>
> Le 14 juil. 2011 Ã 21:09, "Neuman, Jeff" <br>
> <Jeff.Neuman@neustar.us> a écrit :<br>
> <br>
> > The election <br>
> timelines are set forth in the Bylaws. Given that we still have 3 <br>
> months until the annual meeting, shouldn't that be enough time to get <br>
> everything done?<br>
> ><br>
> > Jeffrey J. Neuman<br>
> > Neustar, Inc. <br>
> / Vice President, Law & Policy<br>
> > Please note new <br>
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> > -----Original <br>
> Message-----<br>
> > From: owner-council@gnso.icann.org <br>
> [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of Wendy Seltzer<br>
> > <br>
> Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 3:05 PM<br>
> > To: Stéphane Van <br>
> Gelder<br>
> > Cc: Council GNSO<br>
> > Subject: Re: [council] Re: <br>
> Suggested election time lines<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > NCSG is also <br>
> working on its Council elections.<br>
> ><br>
> > A third option would <br>
> be to postpone our Council elections (and briefly<br>
> > extend the <br>
> terms of current officers) if some SGs need a slightly longer<br>
> > <br>
> window to complete their Councillor elections first.<br>
> ><br>
> > <br>
> --Wendy<br>
> ><br>
> > On 07/14/2011 07:52 AM, Stéphane Van Gelder <br>
> wrote:<br>
> >> Thanks Wendy for your <br>
> comments.<br>
> >><br>
> >> Yes that is correct, we designed <br>
> option 1 to address the points made at the previous election and allow <br>
> for the new Council to elect its Chair.<br>
> >><br>
> >> However, <br>
> I think it's worth stressing that for this option to be viable, we need <br>
> to be sure that all SGs that are due to replace Councillors will have <br>
> done so in plenty of time for this vote to take <br>
> place.<br>
> >><br>
> >> So my message was also a request to you, <br>
> as representatives of your groups, to let the Council leadership and <br>
> secretariat know if your own individual elections would be done in <br>
> time?<br>
> >><br>
> >> Thanks,<br>
> >><br>
> >> <br>
> Stéphane<br>
> >><br>
> >><br>
> >><br>
> >> Le 13 juil. <br>
> 2011 à 18:34, Wendy Seltzer a écrit <br>
> :<br>
> >><br>
> >>><br>
> >>> Thanks for getting the <br>
> conversation started Stéphane,<br>
> >>><br>
> >>> Does the <br>
> second, electronic, option assume that the voters would be <br>
> the<br>
> >>> old Councillors, since the new ones will not be <br>
> seated until the end of<br>
> >>> the AGM? If so, I would <br>
> strongly support option 1, to give the<br>
> >>> Councillors who <br>
> will be serving under the chair an opportunity to vote<br>
> >>> <br>
> in the Chair's election.<br>
> >>><br>
> >>> <br>
> --Wendy<br>
> >>><br>
> >>> On 07/13/2011 12:17 PM, Stéphane <br>
> Van Gelder wrote:<br>
> >>>> <br>
> Councillors,<br>
> >>>><br>
> >>>> As a follow-up to <br>
> this, please see attached a slightly modified note. The change is just <br>
> to clarify one of the election procedure <br>
> scenarios.<br>
> >>>><br>
> >>>> <br>
> Thanks,<br>
> >>>><br>
> >>>> <br>
> Stéphane<br>
> >>>><br>
> >>>><br>
> >>>><br>
> >>>><br>
> >>>><br>
> >>>> <br>
> Le 11 juil. 2011 à 17:18, Stéphane Van Gelder a écrit <br>
> :<br>
> >>>><br>
> >>>>> <br>
> Councillors,<br>
> >>>>> A t<br>
> >>>>> As the <br>
> Dakar meeting looms, one of the items we must cover is the elections of <br>
> the next Council Chair (the VCs are house-specific and therefore do not <br>
> need to be determined <br>
> here).<br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>> You will remember <br>
> that last year's elections gave rise to some debate, and that the <br>
> Council felt it would be useful to plan ahead a little more for this <br>
> year.<br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>> To start this <br>
> process along, I have been working with Glen to produce two possible <br>
> scenarios for running the elections. These are attached. My thanks to <br>
> Glen for her hard work on <br>
> this.<br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>> As you will see <br>
> from the attached, the options we have looked at are to try and address <br>
> the wish that was expressed by some last year that it be the new Council <br>
> that elect the Chair. There are some scheduling issues to address, and <br>
> if the Council decides to elect its new Chair in Dakar, then we will <br>
> have to work closely with those SGs electing new Councillors to ensure <br>
> that those elections are done in plenty of time to allow for the Chair <br>
> election to happen.<br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>> We <br>
> also ask the question, if we have an election in Dakar (rather than the <br>
> 2nd option of an electronic ballot beforehand) of whether the vote <br>
> should be by open or secret <br>
> ballot.<br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>> Please let us <br>
> have your comments on these <br>
> proposals.<br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>> <br>
> Thanks,<br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>> <br>
> Stéphane<br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>> <br>
> >>>><br>
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