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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-AU link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Lord knows they will soon have the budget to do so...<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Thanks Tim I agree.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Adrian Kinderis</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><br><br></span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Tim Ruiz [mailto:tim@godaddy.com] <br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, 21 July 2011 9:45 PM<br><b>To:</b> william.drake@uzh.ch<br><b>Cc:</b> council@gnso.icann.org; Adrian Kinderis<br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [council] Remote Participation for Senegal<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>I am sure that there are many reasons why some of us may ultimately not<br>go, some may be prevented by the issues Adrian pointed out, and others<br>may choose not to for personal reasons - issues of principle, health<br>issues, etc.<br><br>But one thing is for sure, none of us are responsible for the conditions<br>that exist in different parts of the world. And none of us are being<br>compensated for our participation outside of travel reimbursement for<br>those who decide to accept it (BTW, I no longer do). So NOT ONE of us<br>can or should be criticized directly or indirectly for not attending<br>this meeting, or any other, in person.<br><br>On a different note, these types of ICANN meetings are not necessary to<br>"engage" all parts of the world. I have no doubt there are much<br>effective ways to engage various parts of world than these meetings.<br><br>Tim<br><br>> -------- Original Message --------<br>> Subject: Re: [council] Remote Participation for Senegal<br>> From: William Drake <william.drake@uzh.ch><br>> Date: Thu, July 21, 2011 6:29 am<br>> To: Adrian Kinderis <adrian@ausregistry.com.au><br>> Cc: Tim Ruiz <tim@godaddy.com>, "council@gnso.icann.org"<br>> <council@gnso.icann.org><br>> <br>> So are the insurance policies such that basically all of Africa off limits other than MENA and SA?<br>> <br>> We're setting global policies that Africans have to live with, seems unfortunate if engaging them is off limits..<br>> <br>> <br>> B<br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> On Jul 21, 2011, at 1:22 PM, Adrian Kinderis wrote:<br>> From what I understand it is �not able�. Insurance and travel restrictions to the region don�t allow it.<br>>  <br>> Of course, there are many that would �not prefer to� given the above.<br>>  <br>> Adrian Kinderis<br>> Chief Executive Officer<br>> AusRegistry International Pty Ltd<br>> Level 8, 10 Queens Road<br>> Melbourne. Victoria Australia. 3004<br>> Ph: +61 3 9866 3710<br>> Fax: +61 3 9866 1970<br>> Email: adrian@ausregistry.com<br>> Web: www.ausregistry.com<br>>  <br>> - Follow AusRegistry International on Twitter: www.twitter.com/ausregistryint<br>>  <br>> The information contained in this communication is intended for the named recipients only. It is subject to copyright and may contain legally privileged and confidential information and if you are not an intended recipient you must not use, copy, distribute or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this communication in error, please delete all copies from your system and notify us immediately.<br>>  <br>> <br>>  <br>> From: William Drake [mailto:william.drake@uzh.ch] <br>> Sent: Thursday, 21 July 2011 9:21 PM<br>> To: Adrian Kinderis<br>> Cc: Tim Ruiz; council@gnso.icann.org<br>> Subject: Re: [council] Remote Participation for Senegal<br>> <br>> <br>>  <br>> Hi Adrian<br>>  <br>> <br>> Do you mean "to not be able" or "to not prefer"?<br>> <br>>  <br>> <br>> Just wondering how high the special barrier some folks face is�<br>> <br>>  <br>> <br>> Thanks<br>> <br>>  <br>> <br>> Bill<br>>  <br>> On Jul 21, 2011, at 1:06 PM, Adrian Kinderis wrote:<br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> This makes me mad.<br>> <br>>  <br>> <br>> I am not mad at Tim, far from it.<br>> <br>>  <br>> <br>> But why ICANN continually chooses places that forces key stakeholders and contributors to not be able to participate to the fullest.<br>> <br>>  <br>> <br>> Crazy.<br>> <br>>  <br>> <br>> Here�s an idea. Let�s build a remote site and EVERYONE go there...<br>> <br>>  <br>> <br>> LA Marriott anyone?<br>> <br>>  <br>> <br>> Adrian Kinderis<br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>>  <br>> <br>> From: owner-council@gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of Tim Ruiz<br>> Sent: Thursday, 21 July 2011 3:24 AM<br>> To: council@gnso.icann.org<br>> Subject: [council] Remote Participation for Senegal<br>> <br>> <br>>  <br>> <br>> Glen,<br>> <br>> Can you provide an update of on the expected availability of remote<br>> participation for Senegal?<br>> <br>> Also to all, if there is any movement toward a US or EU remote<br>> participation base, I would be up for that and doing what I could to<br>> help cover costs. I think John was asking about this earlier. Any<br>> interests?<br>> <br>> Either way, after further consideration I think I may be attending only<br>> remotely.<br>> <br>> <br>> Tim<br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>>  <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> <o:p></o:p></p></div></body></html>