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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=FR link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Thanks for your interest Joy, we will add you to the mailing list.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Kind regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Glen<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#1F497D'>Glen de Saint Géry<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#1F497D'>GNSO Secretariat<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#1F497D'><a href="mailto:gnso.secretariat@gnso.icann.org">gnso.secretariat@gnso.icann.org</a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#1F497D'><a href="http://gnso.icann.org">http://gnso.icann.org</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>De :</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> owner-council@gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] <b>De la part de</b> Joy Liddicoat<br><b>Envoyé :</b> samedi 29 octobre 2011 21:06<br><b>À :</b> 'Rafik Dammak'; 'Thomas Rickert'<br><b>Cc :</b> 'Neuman, Jeff'; 'Stéphane Van Gelder'; Mary.Wong@law.unh.edu; council@gnso.icann.org<br><b>Objet :</b> RE: [council] Informal conversation<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-NZ style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Hi – I am also happy to assist with this.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-NZ style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Kind regards<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-NZ style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Joy<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-NZ style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Rafik Dammak [mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com] <br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, 29 October 2011 12:51 a.m.<br><b>To:</b> Thomas Rickert<br><b>Cc:</b> Neuman, Jeff; Joy Liddicoat; Stéphane Van Gelder; Mary.Wong@law.unh.edu; council@gnso.icann.org<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [council] Informal conversation<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-NZ><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-NZ>Hello,<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-NZ><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-NZ>I would like to join the group.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-NZ><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-NZ>Best,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-NZ><br clear=all><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-NZ>Rafik<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-NZ><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-NZ>2011/10/28 Thomas Rickert <<a href="mailto:rickert@anwaelte.de">rickert@anwaelte.de</a>><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-NZ>Jeff, all,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-NZ>I volunteer to participate in this group.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-NZ><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-NZ>Best,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-NZ>Thomas<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-NZ><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-NZ><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-NZ>Am 28.10.2011 um 00:15 schrieb Neuman, Jeff:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-NZ><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-NZ><br>Thanks Joy. We have decided to form a small group of Councilors to work on these issues. I have volunteered to lead the up. We did ask the GAC several times if they wanted to work with us in some form of group, but they have declined our invitation. Therefore, after the letter is sent, we will try to work these issues on our own in a relatively quick time frame and after approval from the Council, we will share our thoughts with the GAC. They seem to prefer this course of action.<br><br>We have also asked for volunteers and Glen has volunteered to set up a mailing list. If you would like to volunteer for this group, please let Glen know.<br><br>Thanks again.<br><br>Jeffrey J. Neuman <br>Neustar, Inc. / Vice President, Law & Policy<br><br><br><br>The information contained in this e-mail message is intended only for the use of the recipient(s) named above and may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient you have received this e-mail message in error and any review, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately and delete the original message.<br><br><br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: <a href="mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org" target="_blank">owner-council@gnso.icann.org</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org" target="_blank">owner-council@gnso.icann.org</a>] On Behalf Of Joy Liddicoat<br>Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2011 8:29 PM<br>To: 'Stéphane Van Gelder'; <a href="mailto:Mary.Wong@law.unh.edu" target="_blank">Mary.Wong@law.unh.edu</a><br>Cc: <a href="mailto:council@gnso.icann.org" target="_blank">council@gnso.icann.org</a><br>Subject: RE: [council] Informal conversation<br><br><br>Hi - my apologies for missing this meeting - it was 12am onwards here.<br>Thanks for your work on this Stephane and Mary's idea of some mechanism(s)<br>to help build relationships is a good one - whether as observer or liaison<br>point. Or perhaps a standing item on the GNSO agenda could be: GAC - with a<br>GAC rep/Chair given the opportunity to attend on specific topics of GNSO/GAC<br>working methods?<br>A practical suggestion on the IOC Red Cross matter: GAC makes a fair point<br>on the intra-GAC issues (and, as Thomas says, GNSO councillors also face<br>workload challenges). Could we suggest a small GNSO GAC working group on<br>this specific issue? The group could take forward some of the issues raised<br>and, perhaps, work together to suggest options/pathways forward for the two<br>groups to consider?<br><br>Joy<br><br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: <a href="mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org" target="_blank">owner-council@gnso.icann.org</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org" target="_blank">owner-council@gnso.icann.org</a>] On<br>Behalf Of Stéphane Van Gelder<br>Sent: Friday, 28 October 2011 5:49 a.m.<br>To: <a href="mailto:Mary.Wong@law.unh.edu" target="_blank">Mary.Wong@law.unh.edu</a><br>Cc: <a href="mailto:council@gnso.icann.org" target="_blank">council@gnso.icann.org</a><br>Subject: Re: [council] Informal conversation<br><br><br>Good point Mary, I forgot the topic of a liaison. They say they can't do<br>that, but actually suggest the reverse, i.e. that we send them a liaison!<br><br>An interesting suggestion.<br><br>Stéphane<br><br><br><br>Le 27 oct. 2011 à 16:39, <<a href="mailto:Mary.Wong@law.unh.edu" target="_blank">Mary.Wong@law.unh.edu</a>> a écrit :<br><br><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-NZ>Hmm ... isn't this one very good reason why we ought to have GNSO-GAC<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-NZ>liaisons? <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-NZ><o:p> </o:p></span></p><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-NZ>Also, while I understand the difficulty the GAC may have with nit having<o:p></o:p></span></p></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-NZ>one or two people represent the GAC formally, should we consider inviting<br>them to appoint an observer or liaison to the task force or WG that Jeff is<br>leading?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-NZ><o:p> </o:p></span></p><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-NZ>Thanks for the prompt action and reporting back, Stéphane.<o:p></o:p></span></p></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-NZ><o:p> </o:p></span></p></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-NZ>Cheers<o:p></o:p></span></p></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-NZ>Mary<o:p></o:p></span></p></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-NZ><o:p> </o:p></span></p></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-NZ>"Stéphane Van Gelder<<a href="mailto:stephane.vangelder@indom.com" target="_blank">stephane.vangelder@indom.com</a>>"<o:p></o:p></span></p></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-NZ><<a href="mailto:stephane.vangelder@indom.com" target="_blank">stephane.vangelder@indom.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-NZ><o:p> </o:p></span></p><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-NZ><o:p> </o:p></span></p></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-NZ><o:p> </o:p></span></p></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-NZ>All,<o:p></o:p></span></p></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-NZ><o:p> </o:p></span></p></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-NZ>As we discussed during today's wrap-up, I had an informal conversation<o:p></o:p></span></p></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-NZ>with the GAC.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-NZ><o:p> </o:p></span></p><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-NZ>I passed along the message that there was disappointment at the GAC's<o:p></o:p></span></p></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-NZ>apparent lack of desire for a common effort on the IOC and RC names. The<br>answer was that the GAC remains extremely challenged when it comes to<br>participating in joint efforts of this kind. There are workload issues first<br>and foremost for government reps, but also because of the unique nature of<br>the GAC it is difficult for any GAC member to participate effectively.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-NZ><o:p> </o:p></span></p><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-NZ>The point was also made to me that we tend to assume that when we put<o:p></o:p></span></p></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-NZ>something out, either on our mailing list or our website, that is enough for<br>the GAC to be aware of it. I was told that it is not so, and that there is<br>no substitute for direct communication. So in that regard, it sounds like<br>our discussions in today's wrap-up about being seen to be more constructive<br>and more proactive are spot on.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-NZ><o:p> </o:p></span></p><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-NZ>With that in mind, I would suggest that we perhaps want to send the draft<o:p></o:p></span></p></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-NZ>letter on the IOC and RC names anyway. The idea being to show that we have<br>done some thinking about this issue as well (someone made that point during<br>the wrap-up, I forget who so apologies).<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-NZ><o:p> </o:p></span></p><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-NZ>Also, I was told that unless we write to the GAC to tell them about the<o:p></o:p></span></p></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-NZ>announcement made by ICANN and the registrars and published on the GNSO<br>mailing list, they don't know about it. As this is a registrar specific<br>issue, it is perhaps not for the GNSO as a whole to mention. But it is<br>perhaps worth thinking about.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-NZ><o:p> </o:p></span></p><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-NZ>The main takeaway I got from the conversation is that we should look to<o:p></o:p></span></p></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-NZ>improve the way we communicate with the outside world (this is not something<br>I was told, it is my own conclusion).<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-NZ><o:p> </o:p></span></p><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-NZ>Hope this is helpful.<o:p></o:p></span></p></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-NZ><o:p> </o:p></span></p></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-NZ>Get home safe everyone. Enjoyed working with you this week.<o:p></o:p></span></p></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-NZ><o:p> </o:p></span></p></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-NZ>Stéphane<o:p></o:p></span></p></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-NZ><o:p> </o:p></span></p></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-NZ><br><br><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-NZ><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-NZ style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>___________________________________________________________<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-NZ style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>Thomas Rickert, Rechtsanwalt<br>Schollmeyer & Rickert Rechtsanwaltsgesellschaft m.b.H. 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