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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-GB link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Hi,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>It seems clear that there are two key themes here:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>1.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>The first is the resource issue which encompasses GNSO resources in general be they staff or broader community.<br>Recognising this and the comments from staff that resources may become available, it seems that we do need to consider removing specific reference to staff resources in the motion and keep the reference to resources more generally.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>2.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>The second is the timing and a date certain.<br>In this case there is an issue of principal (not formally linking contract negotiations and policy development) and also initiating an interminable delay or at least a delay with no end point.<br>However, this principal or these principals shouldn’t affect our common sense view of this. The latter may well mean that we agree a date certain which happens to occur at or near to the date we had in the original motion such that the work (if indeed it remains necessary) takes account of all relevant information, including any that may come out of contractual negotiations.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I trust this is a helpful nudge forwards and broadly consistent with other postings on this subject.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Best wishes,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Jonathan<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Liz Gasster [mailto:liz.gasster@icann.org] <br><b>Sent:</b> 11 April 2012 22:26<br><b>To:</b> Stéphane Van Gelder<br><b>Cc:</b> Jonathan Robinson; council@gnso.icann.org<br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [council] Motion to delay thick WHOIS PDP<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Hi Stéphane and all,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I really appreciate the concerns about staff workload, which continue to be significant. In this case, Marika has just completed the implementation of the PDP revision and the PEDNR PDP, and has almost completed the IRTP part B PDP, so if the Council elected to proceed, her work load is freeing up a bit, and she would be in a position to support this WG. Steve Sheng would also be available to assist with any technical matters. This assumes that there is sufficient GNSO community bandwidth to participate in the WG, it is much harder for staff to support a group when community participation is spotty.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Best, Liz<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Stéphane Van Gelder <a href="mailto:[mailto:Stephane.vangelder@indom.com]">[mailto:Stephane.vangelder@indom.com]</a> <br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, April 11, 2012 1:09 PM<br><b>To:</b> Liz Gasster<br><b>Cc:</b> Jonathan Robinson; <a href="mailto:council@gnso.icann.org">council@gnso.icann.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [council] Motion to delay thick WHOIS PDP<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>Thanks Liz and all for moving this along.<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>Liz, on the Staff resource issue, let me ask you the question outright: does Staff feel it has the bandwidth to take on this extra work should the Council decide to do so?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>The reason I am asking is that in past months, you have been very clear about the fact that Staff resources are stretched so thin that if the Council opted to start new work, it may need to consider dropping something else on its pending project list to accommodate the new requirement.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>As you know, I think you have been absolutely right to make this point and to help the Council understand what staff resources it can expect to call on.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>So I have to admit to being slightly confused at your apparent hesitation to cite the Staff resource issue in this motion, as Jonathan suggests doing. Although you are of course absolutely right: as far as I know, Staff has not been asked about their ability to take up this specific task and staff has been nothing short of stellar in their willingness to step up and take on any work that the Council has thrown at it up to known.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>Thanks.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>Stéphane<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>Le 11 avr. 2012 à 18:48, Liz Gasster a écrit :<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Dear Jonathan and all,</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I would respectfully like to make two friendly suggestions to this motion (I’ve redlined in the attached):</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div style='margin-left:36.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='text-indent:-18.0pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>1.</span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:7.0pt;color:#1F497D'> <span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>To delete reference to ICANN staff resources. Staff has not been asked about our specific resources available to do this PDP (we are constrained overall but we have consistently stepped up to new work, if sometimes making modified arrangements to address workload). So I am not comfortable with the language making this a staff workload issue. I understand the issue of GNSO community resources, so that language is retained in my suggested edit.</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div style='margin-left:36.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='text-indent:-18.0pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>2.</span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:7.0pt;color:#1F497D'> <span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>To add a “date certain” which still would need to be inserted. The end time for a delay needs to be specifically defined, even if adjusted later on.</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I’m happy to explain these suggestions further. Thanks so much for considering.</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Best regards, Liz</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm;border-width:initial;border-color:initial'><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span class=apple-converted-space><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> </span></span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'><a href="mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org">owner-council@gnso.icann.org</a> <a href="mailto:[mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org]">[mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org]</a><span class=apple-converted-space> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></b>Jonathan Robinson<br><b>Sent:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Wednesday, April 11, 2012 8:33 AM<br><b>To:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>'Stéphane Van Gelder'; <a href="mailto:council@gnso.icann.org">council@gnso.icann.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>RE: [council] Motion to delay thick WHOIS PDP</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Dear Stéphane & fellow councillors,</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>We have today discussed this motion during the course of the Registries SG meeting.</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>A concern was expressed and discussed in some detail about the reason for delay and directly linking a PDP process (on Thick WHOIS) with contractual negotiations (on .com).</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>The PDP process and the contractual negotiation processes are essentially distinct and separate processes.</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Therefore, I’d like to propose a friendly amendment to modify the motion in order to deal with this concern.</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I have attached suggested re-wording of the motion to accommodate this concern.</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Best wishes,</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Jonathan</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm;border-width:initial;border-color:initial'><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span class=apple-converted-space><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> </span></span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'><a href="mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org">owner-council@gnso.icann.org</a><span class=apple-converted-space> </span><a href="mailto:[mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org]">[mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org]</a><span class=apple-converted-space> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></b>Stéphane Van Gelder<br><b>Sent:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>04 April 2012 14:22<br><b>To:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span><a href="mailto:council@gnso.icann.org">council@gnso.icann.org</a><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>GNSO<br><b>Subject:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>[council] Motion to delay thick WHOIS PDP</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>All,<span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>You will remember that in CR the Council expressed a desire to delay the thick whois PDP.<span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Since then, the Council leadership and Staff have discussed this at length.<span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>First, it has been deemed necessary to have a formal motion to do this. Due to the deadline for motions being today, I have asked that a motion to that effect be prepared and I am submitting this today. I am doing this as Chair, from an administrative point of view, to help see this process moved forward.<span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Second, we've had extensive discussions on what voting threshold should be used for this motion. In the end, we have ascertained that as there is no specific reference to a PDP suspension process in the bylaws, the default threshold should be used (see bylaws section 3.9: <a href="http://www.icann.org/en/about/governance/bylaws#X-3.9">http://www.icann.org/en/about/governance/bylaws#X-3.9</a>).<span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Motion attached.<span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Thanks,<span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'><Motion to delay the 'thick' Whois PDP - 30 March 2012 LizG.doc><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div></body></html>