<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=iso-8859-1"><base href="x-msg://1341/"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">All,<div>I am also in favour of option 1 and UTC.</div><div><br></div><div>Thomas</div><div><br></div><div><br><div><div>Am 30.04.2013 um 19:04 schrieb Petter Rindforth <<a href="mailto:petter.rindforth@fenixlegal.eu">petter.rindforth@fenixlegal.eu</a>>:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div style="font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; "><div style="margin: 0px; "><strong>Option 1 and UTC</strong></div><p style="margin: 0px; "> </p><div style="margin: 0px; ">seems to be the best solution of two that's not (and likely cannot be) perfect for everyone.</div><p style="margin: 0px; "> </p><div style="margin: 0px; ">Best,</div><div style="margin: 0px; ">Petter<br></div><pre style="font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; ">--
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</pre>On 30 apr 2013 17:50 "Jonathan Robinson"<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:jrobinson@afilias.info"><jrobinson@afilias.info></a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>wrote:<br><blockquote type="cite">Right, so we seem to be settling on option 1, a fixed time zone.<br>Just need to settle on which - UTC or PST and then we can put it out for<br>standard comment.<br><br>I think UTC since so much of our communication still refers to this at<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>least.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>Given our meetings are at variable times, it should be approximately fair<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>overall.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><br>Jonathan<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><br><br>-----Original Message-----<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>From: Volker Greimann [mailto:vgreimann@<a href="http://key-systems.net">key-systems.net</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>Sent: 30 April 2013 15:29<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>To: Wendy Seltzer<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>Cc: WUKnoben; <a href="mailto:jrobinson@afilias.info">jrobinson@afilias.info</a>; 'Zahid Jamil'; 'Marika Konings';<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><a href="mailto:council@gnso.icann.org">council@gnso.icann.org</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>Subject: Re: [council] Changes to GNSO Operating Procedures<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><br>I agree, Option 2 would complicate things too much. I thought that for<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>24:00 where the sender is located might work too, but a tough deadline would<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>be the clearer option.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><br>Volker<blockquote type="cite">Hi,<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><br>Since I proposed the reconfiguration to give people the clearest<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>notice of when motions were due, I'd recommend option 1. I recognize<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>that the amount of time wouldn't be quite the same from month to<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>month, but the deadline would be fixed. (I preferred 8 calendar days,<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>but 10 is a fine<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>compromise.)<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><br>--Wendy<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><br><br>On 04/29/2013 03:02 PM, WUKnoben wrote:<blockquote type="cite">We vary the meeting times to balance the incommodities as best as<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>possible. I think its consequent to vary the motion deadlines with<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>the meeting times, too (option #2).<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>The deadlines can be published with the meeting calendar in addition<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>to every single reminder.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><br>Best regards<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><br>Wolf-Ulrich<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><br>-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- From: Jonathan Robinson<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 3:31 PM<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>To: 'Zahid Jamil' ; 'Volker Greimann'<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>Cc: 'Wendy Seltzer' ; 'Marika Konings' ;<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:council@gnso.icann.org">council@gnso.icann.org</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>Subject: RE: [council] Changes to GNSO Operating Procedures<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><br><br>All,<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><br>I'd like to close this off and move to posting it for public comment.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><br>My understanding is that we are agreed on 10 calendar days as this is<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>global and meets what was originally intended.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><br>As far as a time-zone is concerned, we have two options:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><br>1. Choose a fixed time zone in which the 23h59 cut-off occurs. There<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>is no universally fair time zone to use for a global audience but UTC<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>seems as close to a standard as we have.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>PST provides for a later sunset but is arguably less of a standard<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>than UTC.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><br>OR<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><br>2. Agree that the cut-off is 10 calendar days (exactly) before the<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>meeting occurs. This will mean that the time of the cut-off varies<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>on a per meeting basis.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>This is probably most fair but could lead to confusion since it<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>varies on a per meeting basis.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>Still, as long as the cut-off time is sent as part of the reminder in<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>calling for motions, it seems reasonable.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><br>Any comments or inputs, please provide them ASAP before we move to<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>public comment.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><br>Thanks,<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><br><br>Jonathan<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><br>-----Original Message-----<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>From:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org">owner-council@gnso.icann.org</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>[mailto:owner-<a href="mailto:council@gnso.icann.org">council@gnso.icann.org</a>] On Behalf Of Zahid Jamil<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>Sent: 23 April 2013 14:47<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>To: Volker Greimann<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>Cc: Jonathan Robinson; Wendy Seltzer; Marika Konings;<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><a href="mailto:council@gnso.icann.org"><council@gnso.icann.org></a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>Subject: Re: [council] Changes to GNSO Operating Procedures<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><br><br>How about using 23:59 PST as the deadline?<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><br><br><br>Best regards,<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><br>Zahid Jamil<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>Barrister-at-law<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>Jamil & Jamil<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>Barristers-at-law<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>219-221 Central Hotel Annexe<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>Merewether Road, Karachi. 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The proposed language cuts the time available for bringing<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>motions short for our American councillors compared to right now.<blockquote type="cite">Volker<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><blockquote type="cite">I support Wendy's language.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><br><br><br>Best regards,<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><br>Zahid Jamil<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>Barrister-at-law<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>Jamil & Jamil<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>Barristers-at-law<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>219-221 Central Hotel Annexe<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>Merewether Road, Karachi. 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