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<div>I am now starting to take this personally.</div>
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<div>Please review my comments on this matter. I am not opposed to publicly stating concerns, and your phrasing, "a large part of the council holds" more than adequately addressed the concern I did have. </div>
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<div>It was couching the view of the Council as the product of a deliberative process that I did not like. I am not arguing the board governance committee's decision, just its rationale.</div>
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<div>If I am too thin skinned on this matter or have misunderstood the intent, I apologize for being wrong, but I do not want to be said to be standing in he way of a request from the Council for a review of the way the decision was made. It was, indeed, a view of a large part of the Council.</div>
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<div>Subject: Re: [council] FYI: NCSG Letter to the Board re. Reconsideration Request 13-3<br />From: "Volker Greimann" <vgreimann@key-systems.net><br />Date: 6/27/13 5:13 am<br />To: "Maria Farrell" <maria.farrell@gmail.com><br />Cc: "John Berard" <john@crediblecontext.com>, "Jonathan Robinson" <jonathan.robinson@ipracon.com>, "WUKnoben" <wolf-ulrich.knoben@t-online.de>, "council@gnso.icann.org" <council@gnso.icann.org><br /><br />It is indeed frustrating that whenever the council fails to take a vote positions are suddenly questioned when it comes to publicly stating concerns a large part of the council holds. The only solution seems to be that prior to ending a discussion on any topic that calls for a letter to be sent or statement to be made at least a measurement of the "temperature of the room" be conducted to see if there is substantial opposition during the meeting, instead of after the letter is drafted.<br /> <br /> Best,<br /> <br /> Volker Greimann<br /> <br />
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<div>Thanks, John, for your comments. I'm not sure how fruitful it is to continue pressing the point, but it seems clear to me that a majority of the stakeholder groups on the Council are very concerned with the issues NCSG has raised in its request and that Jeff has articulated in his letter. <br /> <br /> I have found it frustrating that efforts to secure agreement on any core principles of concern appear to have foundered, so I'm not sure how constructive it is to keep saying that the Council as a whole doesn't have a view.<br /> <br /> I haven't heard much in the way of substantive disagreement, but perhaps my impression of our most recent call where others expressed concern about process or their ability to be heard is colouring my memory.<br /> </div>
In any case, what is the status of a letter from the Council to the Board, articulating concerns? Can a formal decision taken to either send or not send Jeff's letter?<br /> </div>
<div>I think it is time we rose above individual stakeholder group concerns and considered the implications for the Council as a whole. </div>
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<div>I will repeat what I said initially.</div>
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<div>Jeff's proposed letter was accurate in exposing a set of issues that was of intense interest to the Council. It was incorrect is suggesting the view was unanimous and that there was some decision taken on the part of the Council about it.</div>
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<div>Raise the matter -- I was the one who brought of the notion of exectivication of decision making at ICANN -- sure, but be clear it is our concern, not our judgement.</div>
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<div class="h5">From: "Jonathan Robinson" <<a href="mailto:jonathan.robinson@ipracon.com" target="_blank">jonathan.robinson@ipracon.com</a>><br /> Date: 6/26/13 7:30 am<br /> To: "'WUKnoben'" <<a href="mailto:wolf-ulrich.knoben@t-online.de" target="_blank">wolf-ulrich.knoben@t-online.de</a>>, "'Maria Farrell'" <<a href="mailto:maria.farrell@gmail.com" target="_blank">maria.farrell@gmail.com</a>>, <a href="mailto:council@gnso.icann.org" target="_blank">council@gnso.icann.org</a>, <a href="mailto:john@crediblecontext.com" target="_blank">john@crediblecontext.com</a><br /> <br />
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11.0pt; font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: #1f497d;">That said, I believe Jeff has articulated a concern regarding this item which was then discussed and there was clearly some (un-quantified) support on the Council for this position.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11.0pt; font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: #1f497d;">Therefore, what would be helpful to me, and likely to the Council as a whole, is to hear any arguments as to why the concerns articulated are not necessarily concerns.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11.0pt; font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: #1f497d;">I hope I am not doing anyone a disservice here but I thought I heard questions seeking clarification or detail and some proposed variations to the wording of our communication with BGC, but not necessarily any substantive arguments as to why the concerns raised (originally by Jeff) should not be concerns.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif';">With respect to the fairness to those who did not raise similar concerns or couldn’t support the concerns raised at the last council meeting I join John’s comment.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif';">I am a fan of short-hand and jargon (it make life quicker and excludes the uninitiated) but your letter should have more correctly said "<em><strong><span style="font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif';">Some members of</span></strong></em> the GNSO Council expressed concern..." It is clear there is no position taken and no unanimity.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 12.0pt;"><span style="font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif';">Subject: [council] FYI: NCSG Letter to the Board re. Reconsideration Request 13-3<br /> From: "Maria Farrell" <<a href="mailto:maria.farrell@gmail.com" target="_blank">maria.farrell@gmail.com</a>><br /> Date: 6/25/13 1:48 pm<br /> To: "<a href="mailto:council@gnso.icann.org" target="_blank">council@gnso.icann.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:council@gnso.icann.org" target="_blank">council@gnso.icann.org</a>></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif';">I am writing to you on behalf of the Non-Commercial Stakeholder Group (NCSG) and other concerned members of the ICANN community regarding the harmful implications to the community-led multi-stakeholder policy development model if the ICANN Board decides to adopt the rationale provided in the recommendation of the Board Governance Committee (BGC) in response to the NCSG's Request for Reconsideration (13-3). The rationale provided in the BGC's recommendation, which appears to be drafted by over-reaching lawyers, attempts to set a precedent that ICANN staff can over-rule the GNSO Council on policy decisions at its own discretion. This decision has alarmed community members beyond the NCSG and beyond those who were originally concerned with the underlying issue that NCSG was initially probing of staff's adoption of the "TM+50" policy for the Trademark Clearinghouse. </span></p>
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