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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-GB link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Thanks Chuck, that’s a really good point and it touches on a key point regarding the scope of the Council.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>My sense in this particular case has been that it is mostly about policy management and therefore within the remit of the Council.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>In particular, a key point being to make sure that the ATRT2 is aware of the current position from the Council itself (including any efforts on improvement). <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>This being more current than the interview input which the ATRT2 has used and may reflect a more historic / rear-view mirror perspective.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>That said, as a point of general principle, I do agree with you that, wherever possible, reference to the relevant groups is highly desirable, often necessary and should be the default position.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Jonathan<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Gomes, Chuck [mailto:cgomes@verisign.com] <br><b>Sent:</b> 04 December 2013 14:38<br><b>To:</b> jrobinson@afilias.info; council@gnso.icann.org<br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [council] ATRT2 summary<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>I think we would need a draft in the next couple days to give us time to check with our respective groups.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Chuck<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <a href="mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org">owner-council@gnso.icann.org</a> [<a href="mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org">mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Jonathan Robinson<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, December 04, 2013 9:27 AM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:council@gnso.icann.org">council@gnso.icann.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [council] ATRT2 summary<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Thanks Avri & John,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Maria, are you in a position to lead a draft of this asap?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>If not, or in any event, are there any other volunteers?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'><br>Maria’s preparation work and the recordings / transcripts from our meetings in BA will provide the material.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>But … it needs to be synthesised into a concise and effective input (or short & sweet as John put it) with council support.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Any takers? One week is a tight deadline!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Jonathan<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Avri Doria <a href="mailto:[mailto:avri@acm.org]">[mailto:avri@acm.org]</a> <br><b>Sent:</b> 02 December 2013 23:33<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:council@gnso.icann.org">council@gnso.icann.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [council] ATRT2 summary<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'>Hi,<br><br>Speaking as a member of the ATRT from the GNSO, it would be good to have a response from the GNSO's council letting us know what the council agrees with and what you don't. And any uncovered concerns the council may have.<br><br>I encourage us to submit.<br>Avri Doria<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'>Jonathan Robinson <<a href="mailto:jrobinson@afilias.info">jrobinson@afilias.info</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Apologies, <o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>The input we had was from Maria (not Marika as below) but the question remains:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Do we provide written input to the ATRT2?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>If so; (a) it needs to be done by 13 Dec and (b) is Maria in a position to hold the pen?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Jonathan<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US> Jonathan Robinson [<a href="mailto:jonathan.robinson@ipracon.com">mailto:jonathan.robinson@ipracon.com</a>] <br><b>Sent:</b> 02 December 2013 17:47<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:council@gnso.icann.org">council@gnso.icann.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [council] ATRT2 summary<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>All,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>We used this useful input from Marika to provide input to the ATRT2 in Buenos Aires. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>I recall that we provided some well thought out and apparently helpful input in relation to the PDP and our role in managing policy development within the GNSO.<br><br>In addition we touched on it during the wrap-up session on Thursday.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>We have to decide and act quickly on whether or not to provide written input by close of the reply period on 13 December 2013.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Thereafter they aim to produce the final report by 31 December 2013.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Any comments or input on this welcome.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Jonathan<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US> Jonathan Robinson [<a href="mailto:jrobinson@afilias.info">mailto:jrobinson@afilias.info</a>] <br><b>Sent:</b> 20 November 2013 12:21<br><b>To:</b> 'Maria Farrell'; <a href="mailto:council@gnso.icann.org">council@gnso.icann.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [council] ATRT2 summary<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Many thanks Maria,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>All, please note that we are meeting with the ATRT2 in our second meeting GNSO Council meeting today. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>First we seat the new council, second we elect the chair.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Then we meet with the ATRT. Exiting councillors WELCOME to participate. It’s an open / public meeting.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Jonathan<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US> Maria Farrell [<a href="mailto:maria.farrell@gmail.com">mailto:maria.farrell@gmail.com</a>] ! <br><b>Sent:</b> 20 November 2013 09:09<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:council@gnso.icann.org">council@gnso.icann.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> [council] ATRT2 summary<o:p></o:p></span></p><p> <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Dear fellow councilors,<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>With apologies for the time it's taken me to send this last part, here is a summary of the ATRT2 report on the GNSO PDP. (I'm afraid I ran out of time to summarise the rest of the report.)<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>I hope this is useful.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Full text of the report is here: <a href="http://www.icann.org/en/about/aoc-review/atrt/draft-recommendations-15oct13-en.pdf">http://www.icann.org/en/about/aoc-review/atrt/draft-recommendations-15oct13-en.pdf</a><br><br>And the GNSO PDP part starts on page 59 of the report.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p> <o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>All the best, Maria<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><b>ATRT2 Report – section on GNSO PDP</b><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><b>The problem:</b><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>GNSO PDP is weak when it comes to resolving strong views and financial interests. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><b>Background research</b><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Staff paper on improving the PDP is in the works<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><b>Community input</b><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Chairs and WG veterans stress need for F2F meetings, professional facilitators, Board involvement and for people were both for and against the Board issuing threats and deadlines. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><b>Interconnect Report Findings</b><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>PDPs mostly done by North Americans and Europeans<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Most active participants are paid to be there<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Many participants dissatisfied with process, time it takes and feel it’s not worth while – one time only WG participation is typical<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Culturally, PDP and WG process very Western culturally and English language based<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><b>ATRT2 Findings</b><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Growing sense that professional facilitators are needed to help resolve difficult issues, although it may not suffice<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Current model is based on email and conference calls, but F2F is more effective<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>! Board deadlines sometimes used to overcome intractable differences, but it’s not clear how to ensure people negotiate within PDP in good faith. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Board is part of the problem: Board deadlined PDPs don’t always create good policy. Or Board says it wants a policy and decides its own response in the meantime, or Board nullifies outcomes of a PDP. This creates distrust that some in the PDP are not committed to it and will undermine outcome by lobbying Board or GAC.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><b>ATRT2 Draft New Recommendations</b><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>ICANN should:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Fund facilitators and draft guidelines for when they can be used<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Provide funding for more F2F meetings<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Work with community to make PDP faster, to attract more people<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>The GAC should:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>With the GNSO, find ways to input to WGs and to GNSO Council on draft PDP reports <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>The Board and GNSO should:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Start an initiative to increase participation from outside NA/Europe, non-English speaking, other cultures, people not funded by industry. Players<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Also:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>The Board should set procedures for what to do when the GNSO cannot come to a decision within the time, and state “under what conditions the Board believes it may alter PDP recommendations after formal Board acceptance”.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>A step should be added to the PDP process where those unhappy with staff comment summary can respond. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></body></html>