<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=windows-1252"><base href="x-msg://1864/"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">i would add a couple variables<div><br></div><div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>R = rigor</div><div><br></div><div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>L (since "C" is already taken) = level of consensus</div><div><br></div><div>give me permission to do a sketchy work-product with low levels of consensus and i can bring a working-group home in a jiffy. ;-)</div><div><br></div><div>mikey</div><div><br></div><div><br><div><div>On Dec 11, 2013, at 2:27 PM, "Gomes, Chuck" <<a href="mailto:cgomes@verisign.com">cgomes@verisign.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1; "><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">I like it. I think it helps make my points with regard to time-effectiveness. <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Wingdings; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">J</span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Chuck<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span></div><div><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-width: 1pt; border-top-color: rgb(181, 196, 223); padding: 3pt 0in 0in; "><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; ">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; "><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>John Berard [mailto:john@<a href="http://crediblecontext.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">crediblecontext.com</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Wednesday, December 11, 2013 2:43 PM<br><b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Berry Cobb<br><b>Cc:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Gomes, Chuck; James M. Bladel; Maria Farrell; Alan Greenberg; David Cake; Mike O'Connor; <<a href="mailto:council@gnso.icann.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">council@gnso.icann.org</a>><br><b>Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [council] Draft ATRT2 Comments<o:p></o:p></span></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">Who is this and what have you done with Berry?<br><br>Sent from my iPhone<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 12pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><br>On Dec 11, 2013, at 11:36 AM, "Berry Cobb" <<a href="mailto:mail@berrycobb.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">mail@berrycobb.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt; "><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">All,</span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">I’m probably a bit tardy in offering this to the discussion, but it might at least help inform future deliberations on the topic of time duration on a PDP. I started drafting a simple formula a while ago and I suspect a few more variables could be added.</span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Duration of a PDP is a function of participation X frequency X complexity X knowledge</span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">D=PxFxCxK</span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Food for thought…….</span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">B</span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span><o:p></o:p></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Berry Cobb</span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Internet Corporation for Assigned Names & Numbers (ICANN)</span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">720.839.5735</span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><a href="mailto:mail@berrycobb.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">mail@berrycobb.com</a></span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">@berrycobb</span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span><o:p></o:p></div></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span><o:p></o:p></div><div><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-width: 1pt; border-top-color: rgb(181, 196, 223); padding: 3pt 0in 0in; "><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; ">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; "><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">owner-council@gnso.icann.org</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[<a href="mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Gomes, Chuck<br><b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Wednesday, December 11, 2013 12:00<br><b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Gomes, Chuck; James M. Bladel; Maria Farrell<br><b>Cc:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Alan Greenberg; David Cake; Mike O'Connor;<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:council@gnso.icann.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">council@gnso.icann.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>RE: [council] Draft ATRT2 Comments</span><o:p></o:p></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "> <o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">One more thing on this. I was comfortable with the changes in wording that James & I agreed to previously. What happened to that?</span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Chuck</span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span><o:p></o:p></div><div><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-width: 1pt; border-top-color: rgb(181, 196, 223); padding: 3pt 0in 0in; "><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; ">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; "><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">owner-council@gnso.icann.org</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[<a href="mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Gomes, Chuck<br><b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Wednesday, December 11, 2013 1:47 PM<br><b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>James M. Bladel; Maria Farrell<br><b>Cc:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Alan Greenberg; David Cake; Mike O'Connor;<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:council@gnso.icann.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">council@gnso.icann.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>RE: [council] Draft ATRT2 Comments</span><o:p></o:p></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "> <o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">James,</span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">I don’t think that time-effectiveness can be dealt with in isolation of the other criteria. In fact, time-effectiveness itself is not the root problem, it is the symptom. We could easily make PDPs shorter; would that solve the problem? We could reduce the time it takes to do a PDP? Would that be a measure of success? The original DNSO did that in policy work by having the GNSO Council act as a legislative body. It’s easy to do things faster in a top-down management model. I am willing to consider other wording but I have a serious problem with the wording that is in the latest version Maria distributed. I think it undermines the other points we make.</span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Chuck</span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span><o:p></o:p></div><div><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-width: 1pt; border-top-color: rgb(181, 196, 223); padding: 3pt 0in 0in; "><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; ">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; "><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>James M. Bladel<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:[mailto:jbladel@godaddy.com]" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">[mailto:jbladel@godaddy.com]</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Wednesday, December 11, 2013 1:12 PM<br><b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Gomes, Chuck; Maria Farrell<br><b>Cc:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Alan Greenberg; David Cake; Mike O'Connor;<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:council@gnso.icann.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">council@gnso.icann.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [council] Draft ATRT2 Comments</span><o:p></o:p></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "> <o:p></o:p></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Chuck:</span><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "> </span><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">I’m not entirely on board with some of the sentiments expressed in your edits. Opponents of the PDP will often (and firstly) cite the -lack– of time efficiency as the primary flaw in the process. If we are to address those internal and external critics, it seems that this should be highlighted above the other concerns…</span><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "> </span><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Thanks—</span><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "> </span><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">J.</span><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "> </span><o:p></o:p></div></div><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-width: 1pt; border-top-color: rgb(181, 196, 223); padding: 3pt 0in 0in; "><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><b><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">From:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></b><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><Gomes>, Chuck <<a href="mailto:cgomes@verisign.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">cgomes@verisign.com</a>><br><b>Date:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Wednesday, December 11, 2013 at 12:02<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><b>To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Maria Farrell <<a href="mailto:maria.farrell@gmail.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">maria.farrell@gmail.com</a>><br><b>Cc:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Alan Greenberg <<a href="mailto:alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca</a>>, David Cake <<a href="mailto:dave@difference.com.au" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">dave@difference.com.au</a>>, Mike O'Connor <<a href="mailto:mike@haven2.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">mike@haven2.com</a>>, "<a href="mailto:council@gnso.icann.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">council@gnso.icann.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:council@gnso.icann.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">council@gnso.icann.org</a>><br><b>Subject:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>RE: [council] Draft ATRT2 Comments</span><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "> </span><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Thanks Maria. </span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Regarding ‘</span><b><span style="font-size: 13pt; font-family: Times, serif; ">13.1 on GNSO and the wider ICANN community developing ways to make the GNSO PDP process more time-effective</span></b><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">’:</span><o:p></o:p></div></div></blockquote></div></div></blockquote></div><br><div apple-content-edited="true">
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