<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=windows-1252"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;"><div>It seems Fadi is inviting us to do just that.</div><div><br></div><div><a href="http://blog.icann.org/2014/03/balancing-the-tasks-at-hand/">http://blog.icann.org/2014/03/balancing-the-tasks-at-hand/</a></div><div><br></div><div>Thanks.</div><div><br></div><div>Amr</div><br><div style=""><div>On Mar 13, 2014, at 12:44 AM, Mike O'Connor <<a href="mailto:mike@haven2.com">mike@haven2.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div style="font-family: TrebuchetMS; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;">hi all,<div><br></div><div>i like the idea of structured/written feedback from the Council as well. could we form a small drafting team to pull a rough outline together over this coming weekend so that we’d have a rough high-level draft to carry into Singapore? i’d like to join such a gang.</div><div><br></div><div>mikey</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><div><div>On Mar 12, 2014, at 4:10 PM, Jonathan Robinson <<a href="mailto:jrobinson@afilias.info" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;">jrobinson@afilias.info</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div lang="EN-GB" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1;"><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">All,<o:p></o:p></span></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">The strategy panels are (as I understand it) intended to inform or potentially inform the further development of the 5 year strategic plan<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><br><a href="http://www.icann.org/en/news/public-comment/strategic-29oct13-en.htm" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;">http://www.icann.org/en/news/public-comment/strategic-29oct13-en.htm</a><o:p></o:p></span></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">which will lead into the associated operating plans.<o:p></o:p></span></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Therefore, I think that a key issue for us will be separating our thinking and responses into two distinct areas:<o:p></o:p></span></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 36pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; text-indent: -18pt;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><span>a.<span style="font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></span></span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Any issues with the formation and execution of the strategy panels<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 36pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; text-indent: -18pt;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><span>b.<span style="font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></span></span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Any issues with the output of one or more of the strategy panels in so far as they may impact the 5 yr strategic plan<o:p></o:p></span></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">The more I hear, the more it seems appropriate for us to feed structured (written) comment from the Council in relation to the strategy panels, in particular responding to the specific output/s of the MSI panel.<o:p></o:p></span></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Jonathan<o:p></o:p></span></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">--<o:p></o:p></span></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Note:<o:p></o:p></span></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">In the current (draft) operating plan for FY15, it already envisages “optimisation of the policy development process” although I have to say, I am not sure what this means<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">See bullet 1 under item 4.<o:p></o:p></span></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Slide 9, FY15 Draft Operating plan and budget process<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><image001.png></span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><o:p></o:p></span></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p><div><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-color: rgb(181, 196, 223); border-top-width: 1pt; padding: 3pt 0cm 0cm;"><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;"><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Amr Elsadr [<a href="mailto:aelsadr@egyptig.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;">mailto:aelsadr@egyptig.org</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>12 March 2014 20:58<br><b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Volker Greimann<br><b>Cc:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Klaus Stoll;<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:jrobinson@afilias.info" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;">jrobinson@afilias.info</a>;<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:council@gnso.icann.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;">council@gnso.icann.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [council] Conversation Wrap-Up & Next Steps<o:p></o:p></span></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;">Hi,<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;">For some reason, I just don’t understand the danger this panel is posing. It reads a lot to me like the opinion of someone who is largely uninformed on the nature of the multistakeholder bottom-up consensus building nature of the GNSO processes, and what it takes to make changes to them. Does anyone here actually believe that radical changes in GNSO operating procedures can be unilaterally imposed by Fadi or the ICANN BoDs because the GovLab said so??<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;">I really would like to hear concerns based on concrete actions you all feel might actually take place. Better yet…, instead of speculating, why not ask the ICANN BoDs to clear this up once and for all? In BA, the phrase “non-binding Board action” was floated around, and I have no idea what a non-binding Board action is.<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;">I certainly feel that we, the GNSO Council, should do our duty of managing the GNSO's PDP in accordance with the ICANN by-laws, the PDP manual and the WG guidelines. We’ve been elected by our stakeholder groups and constituencies to do just that, and so far, I don’t see an impending assault. I’ve gone through the MSI Panel report and some of the proposals (not all of them), and I am lead to believe that the authors are in no way experts. In fact, ICANN aside, they seem to have a great deal of misguided assumptions on the principles of the ethnography of multistakeholder organisations, and how the introduction of collaborative tools influences them.<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;">Volker makes some very logical observations:<o:p></o:p></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div><div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;">On Mar 12, 2014, at 3:41 PM, Volker Greimann <<a href="mailto:vgreimann@key-Systems.net" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;">vgreimann@key-Systems.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;">[SNIP]<o:p></o:p></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;"><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;">With regard to the various recommendations:<o:p></o:p></div></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;"><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: TrebuchetMS, serif;"> </span></p><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">> From their perspective and having made themselves aware of the work of the GNSO, the suggested sub-set (from them) for further condensation is as follows:</span><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">> 1.</span><span style="font-size: 7pt;"> <span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Move from "Stakeholder" engagement to Global Engagement: <a href="http://bit.ly/1k7FDNj" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;"><span style="color: windowtext;">http://bit.ly/1k7FDNj</span></a><br>The current stakeholder engagement model provides some form of balance of interests and promotes cooperation and compromise solutions. Global engagement carries the danger of blurring the lines and favoring those who have the funds or time to contribute most and drowning out "lesser" voices. As a matter of fact, the public comment phases already provide a forum for global engagement and for parties independant of the existing stakeholder groups to make their voices heard.</span><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: TrebuchetMS, serif;"><o:p></o:p></span></div></div></blockquote><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;">Exactly…, and they make that completely unfounded assumption that the introduction of more collaborative tools will achieve more global engagement. Perfectly ridiculous.<o:p></o:p></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><br><br><o:p></o:p></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">> 2.</span><span style="font-size: 7pt;"> <span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Use expert networking: <a href="http://bit.ly/1lof1c5" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;"><span style="color: windowtext;">http://bit.ly/1lof1c5</span></a><br>This is one I am actually more inclined to support than others, mostly because this is something the ICANN community has already been saying for ages. ICANN needs to be more inclusive of expert opinion. The most recent example is the failure of ICANN staff to grasp the concept of European data protection law and their attempts to negotiate what the law actually means. That said, as we knew this already, this recommendation is not really news, but if it helps ICANN understand, I am all for it.</span><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: TrebuchetMS, serif;"><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;">No way I’m going to argue with you on that one!! :) I would also add to that - encouraging the trend of commissioning studies such as the recent WHOIS studies provided that the community sets the terms of reference.<o:p></o:p></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><br><br><o:p></o:p></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">> 3.</span><span style="font-size: 7pt;"> <span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Get Broad-based input/crowdsource at each stage of decision-making: <a href="http://bit.ly/1czpNXn" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;"><span style="color: windowtext;">http://bit.ly/1czpNXn</span></a><br>Last I heard the public comment forums, ICANN participation and PDP participation were not exclusive to ICANN stakeholder groups.</span><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: TrebuchetMS, serif;"><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;">True…, but apparently the “experts” haven’t heard what you’ve heard.<o:p></o:p></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><br><br><o:p></o:p></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">> 4.</span><span style="font-size: 7pt;"> </span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Use Open Data and open contracting: <a href="http://bit.ly/1jcv3Rt" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;"><span style="color: windowtext;">http://bit.ly/1jcv3Rt</span></a><br>Is this not already in place?</span><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: TrebuchetMS, serif;"><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;">Yes again, but the “experts” don’t seem to know how to find the contracts ICANN has with its contracted parties, nor understand how they came to be.<o:p></o:p></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><br><br><o:p></o:p></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">> 5.</span><span style="font-size: 7pt;"> <span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Experiment with Innovative Voting Techniques: <a href="http://bit.ly/1nwta2H" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;"><span style="color: windowtext;">http://bit.ly/1nwta2H</span></a><br>This would be a topic for GNSO reform/innovation.</span><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: TrebuchetMS, serif;"><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;">If you mean how the GNSO is structured, maybe. But my understanding was that they not only recommend that the GNSO’s decision-making guidelines be changed, but also decision-making guidelines on the stakeholder group and constituency levels currently defined in their respective charters/by-laws. I just don’t see that happening because they said so.<o:p></o:p></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><br><br><o:p></o:p></div><div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">>6.</span><span style="font-size: 7pt;"> <span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: TrebuchetMS, serif;">Impose Rotating Term Limits: <a href="http://bit.ly/1nUmkEr" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;"><span style="color: windowtext;">http://bit.ly/1nUmkEr</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">- Th</span>is reminds me of the Russian shuffle: Putin-Medvedev-Putin<br>While I agree that ICANN needs to be more inclusive and outreach remains one of its weak points, I am not sure Rotating Term Limits are the solution.<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><br>All in all, I still think that reform of ICANN should come from within.<o:p></o:p></div></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;">Sure, but by definition, that means public comment and everyone is entitled to express an opinion.<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;">I feel that if we want to take a serious step to settle the issue of (specifically) this panel, we need a clear answer from Fadi and the ICANN Board on what their intentions are regarding the proposals being made. For example, if they are in any way related to the work of the SIC and the forthcoming GNSO review, I would like to know about it. My understanding is that the last GNSO review was initiated by the GNSO Council as opposed to the upcoming one, which will be a Board-initiated review. Getting some answers would provide the context we need to decide the appropriate position we need to take.<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;">Thanks.<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;">Amr<o:p></o:p></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><br><br><o:p></o:p></div><div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><br>Volker<o:p></o:p></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: TrebuchetMS, serif;"><br><br><o:p></o:p></span></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: TrebuchetMS, serif;"><br>On 3/5/2014 12:11 PM, Jonathan Robinson wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;"><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">All,</span><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> </span><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">In discussion with Beth Novek and colleagues from the Governance Lab last week, a suggestion emerged that we could potentially narrow down the list of MSI Panel proposals for more detailed discussion.</span><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> </span><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">It is not yet 100% clear to me as to whether or not we will be able to meet with one or more of the team from the Gov Lab in Singapore but it seems likely and, in any event, it’s useful to consider how we might respond to the output of the panel, in particular where it seems to link most closely with our own work. We discussed condensing their work into a most relevant sub-set for further discussion</span><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> </span><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">From their perspective and having made themselves aware of the work of the GNSO, the suggested sub-set (from them) for further condensation is as follows:</span><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div><div style="margin-left: 47.25pt;"><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; text-indent: -18pt;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">1.</span><span style="font-size: 7pt;"> <span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Move from "Stakeholder" engagement to Global Engagement: <a href="http://bit.ly/1k7FDNj" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;"><span style="color: windowtext;">http://bit.ly/1k7FDNj</span></a></span><o:p></o:p></div></div><div style="margin-left: 47.25pt;"><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; text-indent: -18pt;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">2.</span><span style="font-size: 7pt;"> <span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Use expert networking: <a href="http://bit.ly/1lof1c5" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;"><span style="color: windowtext;">http://bit.ly/1lof1c5</span></a></span><o:p></o:p></div></div><div style="margin-left: 47.25pt;"><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; text-indent: -18pt;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">3.</span><span style="font-size: 7pt;"> <span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Get Broad-based input/crowdsource at each stage of decision-making: <a href="http://bit.ly/1czpNXn" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;"><span style="color: windowtext;">http://bit.ly/1czpNXn</span></a></span><o:p></o:p></div></div><div style="margin-left: 47.25pt;"><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; text-indent: -18pt;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">4.</span><span style="font-size: 7pt;"> <span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Use Open Data and open contracting: <a href="http://bit.ly/1jcv3Rt" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;"><span style="color: windowtext;">http://bit.ly/1jcv3Rt</span></a></span><o:p></o:p></div></div><div style="margin-left: 47.25pt;"><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; text-indent: -18pt;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">5.</span><span style="font-size: 7pt;"> <span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Experiment with Innovative Voting Techniques: <a href="http://bit.ly/1nwta2H" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;"><span style="color: windowtext;">http://bit.ly/1nwta2H</span></a></span><o:p></o:p></div></div><div style="margin-left: 47.25pt;"><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; text-indent: -18pt;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">6.</span><span style="font-size: 7pt;"> <span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Impose Rotating Term Limits: <a href="http://bit.ly/1nUmkEr" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;"><span style="color: windowtext;">http://bit.ly/1nUmkEr</span></a></span><o:p></o:p></div></div></div><div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">I also talked with the Gov Lab people about considering the above proposals through a (non-exhaustive) list of criteria as follows:</span><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> </span><o:p></o:p></div></div></div><div><p style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 36pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-indent: -18pt; vertical-align: baseline;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">A.</span><span style="font-size: 7pt;"> <span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Is the proposal relevant to us?</span><o:p></o:p></p><p style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 36pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-indent: -18pt; vertical-align: baseline;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">B.</span><span style="font-size: 7pt;"> <span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Is it currently applicable to our work?</span><o:p></o:p></p><p style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 36pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-indent: -18pt; vertical-align: baseline;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">C.</span><span style="font-size: 7pt;"> <span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">How could the proposal be modified/amended/advanced to be applicable or more applicable to our work?</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 36pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-indent: -18pt; vertical-align: baseline;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">D.</span><span style="font-size: 7pt;"> <span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">How might we pilot/test these proposals in order to determine whether and how the proposal could be a useful amendment or reform for ICANN?</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; vertical-align: baseline;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> </span><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; vertical-align: baseline;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">None of this pre-supposes that this work was commissioned, initiated or executed in a way which we consider optimal.</span><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; vertical-align: baseline;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">It simply takes a “we are where we are” view of the work and recognises that we have the opportunity to potentially engage with the team that undertook the work.</span><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; vertical-align: baseline;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> </span><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; vertical-align: baseline;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">In addition, we will still have the opportunity to provide formal public comment on this and engage through any other applicable forums at the ICANN meeting in Singapore.</span><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; vertical-align: baseline;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> </span><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; vertical-align: baseline;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Thoughts or input welcome.</span><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; vertical-align: baseline;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> </span><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; vertical-align: baseline;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> </span><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; vertical-align: baseline;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; 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