<font color='black' size='2' face='arial'>Vo<font size="2">lker,<br>
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Thanks for copying Philip and Martin on this. I will await their response!<br>
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Berard</font>
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From: Volker Greimann <vgreimann@key-Systems.net><br>
To: John Berard <john@crediblecontext.com><br>
Cc: philip <philip@brandregistrygroup.org>; martinsutton <martinsutton@hsbc.com>; council <council@gnso.icann.org>; jrobinson <jrobinson@afilias.info><br>
Sent: Tue, Apr 15, 2014 7:40 am<br>
Subject: Re: [council] FW: GNSO Council discussion Spec 13<br>
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Hi John,<br>
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assuming .HSBC opts for the spec, registers a bunch of domain names
where there are TMCH records by other parties and later decides to
go open, should they get to keep the domain names that they have
registered circumventing the Sunrise requirement by using the Spec?
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Volker<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Volker,</div>
<div dir="ltr">You have confused me.</div>
<div dir="ltr">Are you saying, for example, .HSBC (using Martin
Sutton here!) launching as a dotBRAND might distribute names
that might otherwise go in a Sunrise for trademark holders? </div>
<div dir="ltr">And if .HSBC switches to general availability down
the road, those names will have been registered in circumvention
of a Sunrise?</div>
<div dir="ltr">But if HSBC allows its customers use of their name
(e.g., BBC.HSBC or Orange.HSBC) aren't they the proper
registrants in any regime?</div>
<div dir="ltr">I am having a hard time finding the problem to be
solved.</div>
<div dir="ltr">Help me understand.</div>
<div dir="ltr">Berard </div>
<div class="quote">On Apr 15, 2014 1:36 AM, Volker Greimann
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:vgreimann@key-Systems.net"><vgreimann@key-Systems.net></a> wrote:<br type="attribution">
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As obligatory Sunrise is the baby of the IPC and BC, I had
expected them to pick up on this issue as well. <br>
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IIRC, if a dotBrand gives up exclusivity, it loses the
dotBrand status and the benefits of the spec. If would have to
allow all registrars to get accredited and execute a sunrise.
However, at that time, the damage may have already been done
as the delayed sunrise may have become a farce if the RO
already registered to its name all names that would be
eligible for sunrise prior to giving up exclusivity. It would
be akin to something that ICANN has been denying to other
applicants, such as geoTLDs, essentially allowing the registry
an unlimited period of exclusivity to reserve domain names to
itself and a select circle of affiliates and licensees before
a sunrise would be applicable.<br>
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I am not opposing the spec as it stands today, but I am
pointing out the loopholes that may lead to abuse.<br>
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Volker<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 15.04.2014 09:01, schrieb
Jonathan Robinson:<br>
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<div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:">All,</span></div>
<div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"> </span></div>
<div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:">Please
see note below from Philip Sheppard.</span></div>
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<div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:">Jonathan</span></div>
<div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"> </span></div>
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<div class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"> BRG [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:philip@brandregistrygroup.org">mailto:philip@brandregistrygroup.org</a>]
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<b>Sent:</b> 14 April 2014 17:03<br>
<b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:jonathan.robinson@iprota.com">jonathan.robinson@iprota.com</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> GNSO Council discussion Spec 13</span></div>
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<div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:">Jonathan,</span></div>
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<div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:">I
noted that Klaus on the Council list asked this
question:</span></div>
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<div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:">BTW: what happens if a brand
gTLD decides down the road to give up </span><tt><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:blue">exclusivity
and become available for general use, at some
point that might make perfect business sense.</span></tt></div>
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<div class="MsoNormal"><tt><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:">As
I cannot post to Council, perhaps you would do so
for me.</span></tt></div>
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<div class="MsoNormal"><tt><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:">Its
a legitimate question and one also asked by ICANN
legal staff.</span></tt></div>
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<div class="MsoNormal"><tt><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:">The
answer is in other provisions of Spec 13. In the
circumstances described by Klaus, all of Spec 13
would immediately no longer apply, and the default
RA would apply instead.</span></tt></div>
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<div class="MsoNormal"><tt><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:">Philip</span></tt></div>
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<div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:">Philip
Sheppard</span></div>
<div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:">Director
General</span></div>
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Registry Group</span></div>
<div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"><a target="_blank" href="http://www.brandregistrygroup.org/">www.brandregistrygroup.org</a>
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<div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:">Skype
phsheppard</span></div>
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