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Thanks for copying Philip and Martin on this.  I will await their response!<br>
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Berard</font>
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From: Volker Greimann <vgreimann@key-Systems.net><br>

To: John Berard <john@crediblecontext.com><br>

Cc: philip <philip@brandregistrygroup.org>; martinsutton <martinsutton@hsbc.com>; council <council@gnso.icann.org>; jrobinson <jrobinson@afilias.info><br>

Sent: Tue, Apr 15, 2014 7:40 am<br>

Subject: Re: [council] FW: GNSO Council discussion Spec 13<br>

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    Hi John,<br>


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    assuming .HSBC opts for the spec, registers a bunch of domain names
    where there are TMCH records by other parties and later decides to
    go open, should they get to keep the domain names that they have
    registered circumventing the Sunrise requirement by using the Spec?
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    Volker<br>


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<div dir="ltr">Volker,</div>


      

<div dir="ltr">You have confused me.</div>


      

<div dir="ltr">Are you saying, for example, .HSBC (using Martin
        Sutton here!) launching as a dotBRAND might distribute names
        that might otherwise go in a Sunrise for trademark holders? </div>


      

<div dir="ltr">And if .HSBC switches to general availability down
        the road, those names will have been registered in circumvention
        of a Sunrise?</div>


      

<div dir="ltr">But if HSBC allows its customers use of their name
        (e.g., BBC.HSBC or Orange.HSBC) aren't they the proper
        registrants in any regime?</div>


      

<div dir="ltr">I am having a hard time finding the problem to be
        solved.</div>


      

<div dir="ltr">Help me understand.</div>


      

<div dir="ltr">Berard </div>


      

<div class="quote">On Apr 15, 2014 1:36 AM, Volker Greimann
        <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:vgreimann@key-Systems.net"><vgreimann@key-Systems.net></a> wrote:<br type="attribution">
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          As obligatory Sunrise is the baby of the IPC and BC, I had
          expected them to pick up on this issue as well. <br>


          <br>


          IIRC, if a dotBrand gives up exclusivity, it loses the
          dotBrand status and the benefits of the spec. If would have to
          allow all registrars to get accredited and execute a sunrise.
          However, at that time, the damage may have already been done
          as the delayed sunrise may have become a farce if the RO
          already registered to its name all names that would be
          eligible for sunrise prior to giving up exclusivity. It would
          be akin to something that ICANN has been denying to other
          applicants, such as geoTLDs, essentially allowing the registry
          an unlimited period of exclusivity to reserve domain names to
          itself and a select circle of affiliates and licensees before
          a sunrise would be applicable.<br>


          <br>


          I am not opposing the spec as it stands today, but I am
          pointing out the loopholes that may lead to abuse.<br>


          <br>


          Volker<br>


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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 15.04.2014 09:01, schrieb
            Jonathan Robinson:<br>


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<div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:">All,</span></div>


              

<div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"> </span></div>


              

<div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:">Please

                  see note below from Philip Sheppard.</span></div>


              

<div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"> </span></div>


              

<div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:">Jonathan</span></div>


              

<div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"> </span></div>


              

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<div class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"> BRG [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:philip@brandregistrygroup.org">mailto:philip@brandregistrygroup.org</a>]
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                      <b>Sent:</b> 14 April 2014 17:03<br>


                      <b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:jonathan.robinson@iprota.com">jonathan.robinson@iprota.com</a><br>


                      <b>Subject:</b> GNSO Council discussion Spec 13</span></div>


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<div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:">Jonathan,</span></div>


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<div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:">I
                    noted that Klaus on the Council list asked this
                    question:</span></div>


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<div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:">BTW: what happens if a brand
                    gTLD decides down the road to give up </span><tt><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:blue">exclusivity
                      and become available for general use, at some
                      point that might make perfect business sense.</span></tt></div>


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<div class="MsoNormal"><tt><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:">As

                      I cannot post to Council, perhaps you would do so
                      for me.</span></tt></div>


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<div class="MsoNormal"><tt><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:">Its

                      a legitimate question and one also asked by ICANN
                      legal staff.</span></tt></div>


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<div class="MsoNormal"><tt><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:">The

                      answer is in other provisions of Spec 13. In the
                      circumstances described by Klaus, all of Spec 13
                      would immediately no longer apply, and the default
                      RA would apply instead.</span></tt></div>


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<div class="MsoNormal"><tt><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:">Philip</span></tt></div>


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<div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:">Philip

                  Sheppard</span></div>


              

<div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:">Director

                  General</span></div>


              

<div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:">Brand

                  Registry Group</span></div>


              

<div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"><a target="_blank" href="http://www.brandregistrygroup.org/">www.brandregistrygroup.org</a>
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<div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:">Skype

                  phsheppard</span></div>


              

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